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Abreu and Grandal tanked this game.

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6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Don’t tell fangraphs that. His framing makes him an elite defender!

The people at fangraphs need to sit themselves down and actually watch a baseball game sometimes if that is their opinion.

4 minutes ago, wegner said:

The people at fangraphs need to sit themselves down and actually watch a baseball game sometimes if that is their opinion.

100% agree but, in their defense, I’ve never seen them overrate another player as much as they have with Grandal. 

1 minute ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

100% agree but, in their defense, I’ve never seen them overrate another player as much as they have with Grandal. 

Remind me never to hire you as a defense attorney....just kidding ?

50 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

100% agree but, in their defense, I’ve never seen them overrate another player as much as they have with Grandal. 

How does Grandal and Collins rank with framing this year?  To the naked eye, it doesn’t seem overly good due to how bad the umpiring has been.  I’m sure I will get blasted for this, but Collins seemed way too jumpy behind the plate when Crochet was in.  Cost him a few strikes.

Fangraphs considers blocking and throwing too, they just think framing is way more important than that. 

This year grandals framing is Barely above average so far but I wouldn't read so much into it this short into the season. 

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