October 19, 200322 yr Buehrle Colon Vazquez Loaiza Garland Hawkins, Koch, Schoenweis, Marte, Wunsch, Wright Spezio Castillo Valentin Crede Lee Rowand-unless rumor is true then insert Harris Ordonez Thomas Olivo Miles, Gload, Burke, Harris/Rowand, Alomar Jr...
October 19, 200322 yr Buehrle Colon Vazquez Loaiza Garland Hawkins, Koch, Schoenweis, Marte, Wunsch, Wright Spezio Castillo Valentin Crede Lee Rowand-unless rumor is true then insert Harris Ordonez Thomas Olivo Miles, Gload, Burke, Harris/Rowand, Alomar Jr... Um...is this supposed to be realistic.
October 19, 200322 yr My Semi Realistic Roster Pitching Colon Buehrle Loaiza Garland Scho/Wright/Jeff D'Amic/Sterling Hithcock/Cotts/Rauch Bullpen Wright/Scho Hawkins Sully or Shiggy Koch Wunsch Marte If Wright and Sho don't make the rotation, them two; otherwise, Munoz, Ginter, Sanders, Majew. Starters Castillo Guzman Harris Ordonez Crede Fullmer Olivo Lee Everett Bench Daubach Rowand Graffy Alomar Jr. Thomas gets a multi year deal elsewhere and decides to take it. Its for very similar bucks. Konerko gets dealt and the Sox pay a few mill. Not gonna speculate who they get, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was a higher paid type cf or something.
October 19, 200322 yr 1B Spiezio 2B Alomar SS Guzman 3B Crede RF Maggs CF Rowand LF Lee C Olivo DH Everett (I want him back more than Thomas) Starters 1. Colon 2. Buehrle 3. Loaiza 4. Garland 5. Schoenweiss Relievers Koch, Marte, Wunsch, Wright, Sullivan, Hawkins Bench Graffanino, Alomar Jr., Rowand, Gload, Miles
October 19, 200322 yr Author Buehrle Colon Vazquez Loaiza Garland Hawkins, Koch, Schoenweis, Marte, Wunsch, Wright Spezio Castillo Valentin Crede Lee Rowand-unless rumor is true then insert Harris Ordonez Thomas Olivo Miles, Gload, Burke, Harris/Rowand, Alomar Jr... Um...is this supposed to be realistic. no
October 19, 200322 yr Buehrle Colon Vazquez Loaiza Garland Hawkins, Koch, Schoenweis, Marte, Wunsch, Wright Spezio Castillo Valentin Crede Lee Rowand-unless rumor is true then insert Harris Ordonez Thomas Olivo Miles, Gload, Burke, Harris/Rowand, Alomar Jr... Um...is this supposed to be realistic. no Thats fine just wondering.
October 19, 200322 yr Author Buehrle Colon Vazquez Loaiza Garland Hawkins, Koch, Schoenweis, Marte, Wunsch, Wright Spezio Castillo Valentin Crede Lee Rowand-unless rumor is true then insert Harris Ordonez Thomas Olivo Miles, Gload, Burke, Harris/Rowand, Alomar Jr... Um...is this supposed to be realistic. no Thats fine just wondering. Beastly Ordonez note: Tell the posters if it has to be real or wishful thinking.
October 19, 200322 yr Since everyone is being unrealistic here is my unrealistic(semi-reasonable) team. Manager: Gaston 1) Castillo 2B(7M) 2) Guillen SS(3M) 3) Fullmer DH(1.5M) 4) Maggs RF(14M) 5) Spiezio 1B(3.5M) 6) Crede 3B(400K) 7) Reed LF(400K) 8) Rowand CF(400K) 9) Olivo C (400K) total 30.6M 1) Colon RH(13M) 2) Buehrle LH(3M) 3) Loaiza RH(3.5M) 4) Garland RH(1M) 5) Schoeneweis/Alverez(1.5M) total 22M 1) Hawkins RH(4M) 2) Marte LH(1M) 3) Wunsch LH(1M) 4) Koch RH(6M) 5) Wright RH(400K) 6) Ginter/Rauch/Diaz RH(400K) total 12.8M 1) Graffy IF(1M) 2) Daubach 1B/DH(1M) 3) Harris CF/2B(400K) 4) Borchard OF(400K) 5) Rivera/Burke C(400K) total 3.2M total payroll 67.6 - a little too much for JR taste I think this team would be the clear favorite to win the Central. The offense would probably be better because they improve the 3 major weaknesses: batting average, OBP, and speed. There would be a drastic decrease in HR's, however I think the fact that the Sox ranked 4th in HR's and 5th in OPS, but only 8th in runs scored shows that if this team improves their 3 weaknesses they will score more runs on offense even with a decrease in power. The starting pitching remains th e same with the exception of the 5th starter. Loaiza will probably regress some, but improvement from the 5th starter should counter that and give the Sox one of the top rotations in the AL. The bullpen should be slightly better with Hawkins and hopefully a better Koch. The defense would be significantly better as well. The moves to make this happen would be the following: Trades: Lee to Seattle for Guillen and prospect Konerko to LA or Baltimore for a so-so prospect Signs: Castillo Spiezio Fullmer Hawkins possible Hawkins Resign: Colon Graffy Daubach This is unrealistic because there is no way that JR spends 67M. It will be an interesting offseason though.
October 19, 200322 yr Author Konerko to LA or Baltimore for a so-so prospect Would the Sox pay Konerko's salary?
October 19, 200322 yr While it's too early to speculate the entire roster at this point, there's definitely some interesting ideas in this post. Keep up the creative ideas guys, maybe some of them will come true.
October 19, 200322 yr Author While it's too early to speculate the entire roster at this point, there's definitely some interesting ideas in this post. Keep up the creative ideas guys, maybe some of them will come true. Very interesting indeed, lets try to save this post for the offseason if a mod could do that...
October 19, 200322 yr since it doesnt have to be realistic: 1B-Ja Giambi 2B-Ro. Alomar SS-D. Jeter 3B-J.Crede LF-M. Ramirez CF-T. Hunter RF-M. Ordoñez SP-B. Colon SP-M. Buehrle SP-A. Pettite SP-J. Garland SP-M. Prior those are just starters
October 20, 200322 yr Starting Line-up 1B Fullmer 2B Alomar SS Guzman 3B Crede LF Rowand CF Reed RF Ordonez C Olivo DH Lee If we do let Thomas walk I'd like to see the Sox have Carlos DH, and let Reed patrol center and let Rowand handle left. I know Carlos hustles every play but this would definatly strengthen our defense. Rotation 1. Loaiza 2. Colon 3. Buehrle 4. Wilson Alvarez 5. Garland Bullpen Sullivan Gordon Marte Schoenweiss Wunsch Koch Bench Alomar Jr. Harris Graffanino Daubach CWSOX45
October 20, 200322 yr C - Olivo 1B - Daubach 2B - Alomar SS - Carlos Guillen 3B - Crede LF - Lee CF - Jose Cruz Jr. RF - Everett DH - Konerko Cruz Jr. S Alomar S Lee R Konerko R Everett S Daubach L Crede R Guillen S Olivo R SP - Buehrle, Loaiza, Garland, Lidle, Schoewneweiss RP - Marte, Hasegawa, Hawkins, Koch, Wunsch, Wright, Sullivan Bench - Burke, Graffanino, Gload, Miles, Harris, Rowand, Fulmer, Valentin
October 20, 200322 yr "1B Fullmer" I love the idea of Fullmer, however, he is a terrible defensive 1B. "2B Alomar" I would almost rather have Harris or Miles get a shot then bring back Alomar. It is clear to see that he just isn't a good offensive player any more and at his age isn't going to get any better. Harris offers great speed and D, and could probably put up similar offensive numbers. I have never been a huge fan of Miles, but all this guy does is hit. I think of a Todd Walker when I see Miles, a guy that doesn't do anything really good, but his ability to hit always gets him starting roles. IF Alomar wants more then 3M/yr then the Sox better let him go, and I just feel that they could get similar production from Harris or Miles for the minimum. "SS Guzman" Guzman would be a decent option, however, I think he is under contract for 1 more year with the Twins so the Sox would have to trade for him. IF he was available of course. "4. Wilson Alvarez" Alverez is my sleeper for next year. I really think he could be next years Loaiza, and I would love to see the Sox take a flyer on him. He was one of the most dominating pitchers in the 2nd half this past season, and could be hard for a bargain. "Gordon" I am a little concerned about his age and health problems, especially after the workload he had this past year. I think Hawkins would be a wiser investment and he probably wouldn't cost much more. "1B - Daubach" I think I am one of the few guys that actually likes Daubach and think that he could be a cheap replacement if Thomas and/or Konerko are gone. "SS - Carlos Guillen" He is my number one choice if the Sox don't get one of the big 3(Tejada, Matsui, Cabrera). "CF - Jose Cruz Jr." Cruz is a classic underachiever. He has all the potential, but has never put it all together. His .251 career batting average is an example of that, and I think the area that the Sox need to improve the most offensively is batting average. He would not be a good leadoff hitter either. Too many SO and not a high enough OBP. He isn't a CF either. He also has an option that San Fran could pick up, so he might not be available. "RF - Everett" Trading Maggs is a realistic possibility, so where would you trade him to and what would the sox get back in return? "Lidle" Lidle would be an interesting possibility depending on how much he wants. If he wants 6+M then I would have to pass, but if you could get him for around 4M than he might be a decent option. I would still like to see the sox resign Colon though, because I think pitching will/should be the key. "RP - Marte, Hasegawa, Hawkins, Koch, Wunsch, Wright, Sullivan" This bullpen would be great and I am a huge believer that a good bullpen is key in todays game, but it would cost you about 17-18M. That is a huge portion of the total payroll for a bullpen. "Bench - Burke, Graffanino, Gload, Miles, Harris, Rowand, Fulmer, Valentin" Thats a huge bench. Generally you have 6 relievers and 5 bench players.
October 20, 200322 yr ...long post... With the bench, yeah I know, I am just saying guys like that. With Mags, I am saying get some young talent, and free up money. Having Daubs play would free up some money for bullpen too. I see no way to resign Colon, and Lidle could, keyword, be cheap. Ya say Cruz isn't a CF, but, well, um, we had good ole Carl Everett in CF for abit of this season. Anything is possible, also be stated that SF won't resign him.
October 20, 200322 yr I was thinking the same thing. Sorry I am trying to gfigure out how to use this site!
October 20, 200322 yr Sorry I am trying to gfigure out how to use this site! Don't worry about it. WELCOME ABOARD... ...
October 20, 200322 yr A realistic 2004 Sox's team: Pitching staff Rotation Colon RH(13M) Buehrle LH(2.0M) if he goes to arbitration he might get 3.0-3.5 mil. Loaiza RH(4.0M) Garland RH(1M) Schoeneweis(1.5M) or Rauch (300K) Bullpen C) Marte(600K) Wunsch (1.5M) Koch (6M) Wright (400K) Ginter(400K) Either Rauch or Schoeneweis. Tota l$$$ for pitching: 26.7M Lineup 1) Alomar 2B(2.5M) 2) Carlos LF(6.0M) 3) ***See below 4) Maggs RF(14.0M) 5) ***See below 6) Crede 3B(400K) 7) Valentin SS(3.0M) 8) Rowand CF(400K) 9) Olivo C (400K) Total $$$ for hitting: 26.7M (Plus 6-10 mil extra somewhere in between) ***The way i see our 1B/DH situation is: 1) If Frank picks up his option he's our DH/1B 2) PK needs to be traded, if he can't be traded and Thomas dosen't pick up his option, then Thomas is gone. PK will then be the DH/1B 3) PK gets traded, Thomas dosen't pick up his option, then the Sox's can pick up Thomas option. 4) Trade PK, let Thomas walk and sign crap to replace them, keeping our payroll around 55M. So either way our total payroll falls somewhere in the 60-65M range. If Colon dosen't sign this could turn into a fire sale really quick.
October 20, 200322 yr I would really love to see Daubach get a legit shot next year. I think he could perform for us.
October 20, 200322 yr I would really love to see Daubach get a legit shot next year. I think he could perform for us. I don't think Daubach likes it here.
October 20, 200322 yr I don't think Daubach likes it here. He'll be gone, no doubt about it. If I remember correctly, he made some comments about Boston when we played them this year that really made it seem as though he was envious of what they were doing this year and how much he missed playing there.
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