October 24, 200322 yr Thinking about last season (still) I wonder if moving Frank to 6 and bumping Maggs to 3 could have won us a couple games. IMNSHO Maggs should be in the 3 spot. I know it helps Frank to have Maggs back there to get him some better pitches to hit. Maybe we'll see him there next season. Has he ever made any comments about batting order?
October 24, 200322 yr It's not certain if Mags will be here to bat anywhere in the lineup. If he is here, he hits into so many double plays, I don't know if I want him in the three hole.
October 24, 200322 yr what about batting Lee fifth, but switch Maggs and Thomas. If Frank keeps that 40+ HR swing (which is all but guaranteed) why not bat him 4th? Maggs will hit .310+ again and odds are, that it will lead to Thomas getting more AB's with runners on. Thomas wants to bat 3rd, but i doubt he'd object to a swap with Ordonez (after all, he could probably pad his RBI stats, lol )
October 24, 200322 yr My batting order Alomar Graffanino Thomas Ordonez Spezio Lee Crede Olivo Rowand
October 24, 200322 yr Graf won't be an every day player. I can almost guarantee it. They will get a cheap SS more than likely. We know how this team operates. I just Jose isn't back here next year. I don't care if he is the greatest clubhouse guy in the world. A guy who can't hit .240 doesn't belong on our team as an every day player.
October 24, 200322 yr My batting order Alomar Graffanino Thomas Ordonez Spezio Lee Crede Olivo Rowand Castillo Reed Ordonez Thomas Lee Crede Konerko Valentin Olivo probably just wishful thinking...
October 24, 200322 yr Valentine is wishful thinking, what is this world coming to. no the wishful thinking was the signing of Castillo, Reed being ready for a starting spot, and Thomas and Ordonez being swapped in the order
October 24, 200322 yr no the wishful thinking was the signing of Castillo, Reed being ready for a starting spot, and Thomas and Ordonez being swapped in the order Castillo and tejada is who i want to see with, mike cameron has our center fielder. but thats just my wishful thinking
October 24, 200322 yr I wouldn't be personally sad if Frank was gone. I think its time for him and the team to move on personally. He has been great while he is here but he isn't a team player. At a certain point it is time to move on.
October 24, 200322 yr Castillo and tejada is who i want to see with, mike cameron has our center fielder. but thats just my wishful thinking well i was trying to be at least semi-realistic i mean in an ideal world we'd sign Vlad Guerrero, move Maggs to left and Lee to DH, and sign Castillo and Mastui for the infield, lol
October 24, 200322 yr I wouldn't be personally sad if Frank was gone. I think its time for him and the team to move on personally. He has been great while he is here but he isn't a team player. At a certain point it is time to move on. i think he should stay around a little longer but not at the money he is making now i wish he would take a pay cut so we could get tejada, a 2b with long range with mike cameron roaming the outfield. thats my realastic goal
October 24, 200322 yr I personally don't see Cammy or Tejada coming here. Cameron will probably want a lot of money as well as Tejada. As for Frank taking less money, I wouldn't count on it.
October 24, 200322 yr I personally don't see Cammy or Tejada coming here. Cameron will probably want a lot of money as well as Tejada. As for Frank taking less money, I wouldn't count on it. i know we wont get any of those players it is just wishful thinking.
October 24, 200322 yr Here would be my ideal lineup: 1) Castillo 2B 2) Guillen SS 3) Thomas DH/1B 4) Maggs RF 5) Fullmer 1B/DH 6) Sanders LF 7) Crede 3B 8) Rowand CF 9) Olivo C I doubt that they will go after Castillo, however, I would love to see them go after Guillen from Seattle. Maybe a Lee for Guillen and a prospect would be a fair trade. I would love to see the Sox go after Fullmer and Sanders(assuming that an outfielder is traded) if they are serious about winning. I dont know if you can find any more bang for your buck then these 2. They combined to make 2M(likely to go up some) and posted a combined .291/40/122 and Fullmer missed half of the year. The only problem with this lineup is that it would cost a lot and the Sox would probably have to sign a second-tier starter like Batista(my top choice), Ponson, LHernandez, Escobar. I think this offense would be better with a much better and consistant top of the order.
October 25, 200322 yr I personally don't see Cammy or Tejada coming here. Cameron will probably want a lot of money as well as Tejada. As for Frank taking less money, I wouldn't count on it. Cameron will get s*** for money and take it. He's had two straight not so great years. However, he'd probably rather play in the California Pino League before signing with the White Sox. He was treated like absolute s*** during the last stages of his career as a member of the Chicago White Sox. Best you can hope for is one big signing this offseason up the middle....maybe we get lucky enough and sign Castillo(odds are, probably no), or maybe we get lucky enough and make a trade for a good SS, or we sign Cabrera(again, probably no), or maybe we a good all around CFer, or maybe Rowand or Harris steps up and plays up to their potential(again, probably no)
October 25, 200322 yr 2B Alomar CF Reed DH Lee RF Ordonez 1B Fullmer SS Cabrera 3B Crede LF Rowand C Olivo I know many might scowl at this idea, but do we really need Thomas back? I say no, we can't afford to have a number three hitter hit .250 with runners in scoring position. I suggest moving C Lee in the number three spot, in the past he has done very well hitting in this spot. Either that or switch him with Maggs. That way with the departure of Thomas we can call up Reed let him patrol center and let Rowand play left. That's a pretty good defensive team on the field minus Fullmer, which is still a question mark since he hasn't played 1st base a lot and is mostly a DH. CWSOX45
October 25, 200322 yr Graf won't be an every day player. I can almost guarantee it --I agree. Graf isn't an every day player. He's a great utility man. Look up utility player and dictionary and Graf's picture appears (cliche of the day)
October 25, 200322 yr Frank whines if he doesn't hit 3rd... And therein lies the problem with Frank Thomas.
October 25, 200322 yr 2B Alomar CF Reed DH Lee RF Ordonez 1B Fullmer SS Cabrera 3B Crede LF Rowand C Olivo I know many might scowl at this idea, but do we really need Thomas back? I say no, we can't afford to have a number three hitter hit .250 with runners in scoring position. I suggest moving C Lee in the number three spot, in the past he has done very well hitting in this spot. Either that or switch him with Maggs. That way with the departure of Thomas we can call up Reed let him patrol center and let Rowand play left. That's a pretty good defensive team on the field minus Fullmer, which is still a question mark since he hasn't played 1st base a lot and is mostly a DH. CWSOX45 i dont know about having Rowand playing LF full time. I'd rather keep Thomas and have Lee in left or even, have Borchard in left or sign a free agent. You gotta count on your corner infielders and outfielders to drive in runs for you. And with Rowand in LF, i dont see him becoming a consistent RBI guy. Reed and Rowand are similar players with Reed being better in most areas. I like having Reed in CF, but i think a winning team would need more production out of their corner outfielders, i dont think Rowand would give enough.
October 25, 200322 yr 2B Alomar CF Reed DH Lee RF Ordonez 1B Fullmer SS Cabrera 3B Crede LF Rowand C Olivo I know many might scowl at this idea, but do we really need Thomas back? I say no, we can't afford to have a number three hitter hit .250 with runners in scoring position. I suggest moving C Lee in the number three spot, in the past he has done very well hitting in this spot. Either that or switch him with Maggs. That way with the departure of Thomas we can call up Reed let him patrol center and let Rowand play left. That's a pretty good defensive team on the field minus Fullmer, which is still a question mark since he hasn't played 1st base a lot and is mostly a DH. CWSOX45 No. Cabrera would bat second. Only way Reed would bat in first two, is if he was leading off.
October 25, 200322 yr 2B Alomar CF Reed DH Lee RF Ordonez 1B Fullmer SS Cabrera 3B Crede LF Rowand C Olivo I know many might scowl at this idea, but do we really need Thomas back? I say no, we can't afford to have a number three hitter hit .250 with runners in scoring position. I suggest moving C Lee in the number three spot, in the past he has done very well hitting in this spot. Either that or switch him with Maggs. That way with the departure of Thomas we can call up Reed let him patrol center and let Rowand play left. That's a pretty good defensive team on the field minus Fullmer, which is still a question mark since he hasn't played 1st base a lot and is mostly a DH. CWSOX45 No. Cabrera would bat second. Only way Reed would bat in first two, is if he was leading off. True. However I heard that Reed isn't exactly as speedy as many make him out to be. Someone told me that his large number of stolen bases in Birmingham was only because of how agressive the Barons were on the basepaths. I think Alomar can still lead off, he draws a lot of walks. The guy still knows how to get on base. CWSOX45
October 25, 200322 yr 2B Alomar CF Reed DH Lee RF Ordonez 1B Fullmer SS Cabrera 3B Crede LF Rowand C Olivo I know many might scowl at this idea, but do we really need Thomas back? I say no, we can't afford to have a number three hitter hit .250 with runners in scoring position. I suggest moving C Lee in the number three spot, in the past he has done very well hitting in this spot. Either that or switch him with Maggs. That way with the departure of Thomas we can call up Reed let him patrol center and let Rowand play left. That's a pretty good defensive team on the field minus Fullmer, which is still a question mark since he hasn't played 1st base a lot and is mostly a DH. CWSOX45 i dont know about having Rowand playing LF full time. I'd rather keep Thomas and have Lee in left or even, have Borchard in left or sign a free agent. You gotta count on your corner infielders and outfielders to drive in runs for you. And with Rowand in LF, i dont see him becoming a consistent RBI guy. Reed and Rowand are similar players with Reed being better in most areas. I like having Reed in CF, but i think a winning team would need more production out of their corner outfielders, i dont think Rowand would give enough. We still get the production with Lee batting as a DH. If we do re-sign Thomas he CANNOT bat in the third hole. Batting .250 with runners in scoring position in the three hole won't cut it. I love Frank Thomas to death, but I think the White Sox would be much better off without him. CWSOX45
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