7 hours ago, Quin said:

That meme/sentiment started WAAAAAAY before that. Like when KW was GM.

The Baseball Prospectus crowd had a thing about Kenny Williams. KW did make some really questionable moves (sorry but renting Garcia for a top 20 prospect plus our starting catcher was ridiculous). But then they (and Michael Lewis) went on and on about how KW got ripped off by trading the situational lefty Chad Bradford; well that trade netted the catcher who became the starting catcher traded to Seattle to rent Garcia. And then there was the Carlos Lee trade: yes, on paper, the Sox took way the worst of it. BUT it freed up money to sign Iguchi (and Lee was one of those players teams wanted to trade away once they got to know him; sort of like Naylor today). Never gave KW the credit for the good (like winning WS)

BP and Law have also matured over the years. They are no longer quite as dogmatic about things. Law liked Hahn; and Getz was his source for prospect analysis when Hahn was running the ship.
I like law. I think he's pretty objective these days.

Edited Monday at 08:59 PM3 days by GreenSox

40 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

The Baseball Prospectus crowd had a thing about Kenny Williams. KW did make some really questionable moves (sorry but renting Garcia for a top 20 prospect plus our starting catcher was ridiculous). But then they (and Michael Lewis) went on and on about how KW got ripped off by trading the situational lefty Chad Bradford; well that trade netted the catcher who became the starting catcher traded to Seattle to rent Garcia. And then there was the Carlos Lee trade: yes, on paper, the Sox took way the worst of it. BUT it freed up money to sign Iguchi (and Lee was one of those players teams wanted to trade away once they got to know him; sort of like Naylor today). Never gave KW the credit for the good (like winning WS)

BP and Law have also matured over the years. They are no longer quite as dogmatic about things. Law liked Hahn; and Getz was his source for prospect analysis when Hahn was running the ship.
I like law. I think he's pretty objective these days.

Although it's not really a valid excuse for someone who is doing journalism, another thing working against KW is that it seems like he was a real pompous ass. Type of guy I'm sure a lot of people didn't want to see be right about things. And Kenny probably looked at Law et al. in much the same way.

He didn't help himself by signing his son to a minor league deal, and then keeping him in the system for what seemed like a long time.

1 hour ago, oldsox said:

He didn't help himself by signing his son to a minor league deal, and then keeping him in the system for what seemed like a long time.

I think he was a 7th round pick, and I specifically remember Law mocking the selection.

4 hours ago, oldsox said:

He didn't help himself by signing his son to a minor league deal, and then keeping him in the system for what seemed like a long time.

That was bad. I think Jr got $500K.
And then Ozzie got pi$$ed when his sons didn't get the same insider treatment.

https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/player/58813/

KW Jr.

$150,000 signing bonus

http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/658/guillen-disappointed-by-sons-draft-position&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwip5NWXzvaVAxVwkGoFHcs3IrcQFnoECAsQAg&usg=AOvVaw15Vz0CjGkMNpmZ0H3cHEUF

Edited Wednesday at 12:15 AM2 days by caulfield12

Dude has a 200 wRC+ in 21 games in AA after tonights game. He's been a complete freak. Dude could be up next year if his catching is good enough.