Texsox Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 How much value would you put on attitude, leadership, motivation, etc.? Try and put it into stats. For example would you rather have a .280 hitter with bad attitude or a .260 with great attitude. How about the leadership would a great leadership guy who wins you 12 games be better than another starter who can win you 14 or 15 but sucks to be around? Do those guys multiply your success? It seems a team of brooding, can't get along with team mates, arguing with the coach isn't any better than guys who are less gifted physically but play the game better upstairs. There has to be a balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Easy answer would seem to be that the better a player is, the more of his crap teams are willing to put up with ( see Rasheed Wallace ). I think it's mildly important, but over-rated. It really depends on how the attitude manifests itself. If it's something like refusing what they consider to be a "lesser" role for the good of the team or refusing to go in if the play is not called for them, then I think that hurts a team. But if it's just guys who don't like each other socially, that doesn't mean too much to me. People should be professional enough to do their jobs. A good attitude and willingness to help and teach others what you've experienced can lengthen the rope, but ultimately you still have to produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 The A's of the 70's hated eachother, and won several World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I believe that Thomas' ego may have cost this team last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Konerko not hitting, Koch not pitching and Manuel not managing hurt the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I believe that Thomas' ego may have cost this team last year. I think Manuel's stubbornness and refusal to look at the stats hurt the Sox more than Frank did. Frank may have hurt them with his "I'm a power hitter" phase ( which is what I'm guessing you were referring to as well ), but for Manuel to put him back at DH when Konerko was sucking and Frank was KILLING the ball and playing good defense was stupid and blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Konerko not hitting, Koch not pitching and Manuel not managing hurt the Sox. yeah, but so did Thomas' "only swing for the fences" theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 But he knocked in 100+! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Do you guys now how to build team chemistry? WINNING!!!!! Hello, you can have Manny, Frank, John Rocker, and Carl Everett on the same team and be f***ed but when you start winning, the team comes together and plays as 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 But he knocked in 100+! Stats alone don't tell the whole story. Again, I don't think Thomas was a problem last year, except when he over-thought his approach ( again! ) and robbed himself of his best chance to do even better. When Thomas is really "on" and most dangerous, he is driving the outside pitch to the right-center gap and drilling the inside pitch to left. When he decided that "I'm a power hitter", he started to try to pull everything. That's when his power numbers went up, but his average went down. Some of those outs came with runners on base, so his RBI totals could have been a lot higher. Sometimes the team needs a key base hit when trailing by 1 run a lot more than they need a 2-run bomb while trailing by 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Some of those outs came with runners on base, so his RBI totals could have been a lot higher. Sometimes the team needs a key base hit when trailing by 1 run a lot more than they need a 2-run bomb while trailing by 5. Excellent point. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest williestokes Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I dont know which one I value more, but I know the Sox have lost both of their great attitude players this offseason, Everett and Robbie. Robbie just flat out hustled. I remember a game with us where he went from first to third (or second to home) on an IF groundout. Thats excellent. And then Everett was just selfless. He gave his bonus shares to the teams rookies and in that nightmarish 8-6 win over Minnesota, he stayed in the dugout (he was out of the game) and hollered for Gordon to K AJ, which he did. Those are the kinds of things this team really needed but unfortunately KW didnt realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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