From Peter Gammons,

according to him the dodgers have said they are moving on and they will explore ofther options. Gammons said that nomar would stay in chicago and play out the year.

Which if this is true which i hope. We will have to find pitching somehow or some form. I do believe and this is just me speculating, the sox will keep nomar, and they will trade koch to the mets for the prospect. They will find a suitor for valentin to free up more money and they will hopefully get juan gonz to fill maggs's void in the out field and they will come to terms with garcia or armas, and another reliever. That would be a nice christmas.

Just tell me where they get the pitching.

Then...IF we get in the playoffs, we get pounded in the 1st Round...then we lose Nomar to free agency, and get NOTHING for him.

 

That's why you trade him for young pitchers/prospects, and REBUILD!

We will get pitching at trade deadline if we do not get Garcia now

Or, maybe Nomar is one of those Colon type of guys, whose salary does not count against the payroll requirements

We will get pitching at trade deadline if we do not get Garcia now

Pitching at the deadline will do the Sox no good, because without a rotation they are gonna be toast long before the deadline.

 

If they stand pat on their bullpen and rotation its going to be ugly. And if they are going to do that and deal Dan Wright or Neil Cotts in this deal it will be UGLIER.

REBUILD! This team has been rebuilding for years! Odalis Perez is no where near the caliber of a player maggs is worth. LA isn't willing to part with there top prospects and they are staying away from giving up mota. So you tell me israel who is going to take on nomar or even maggs if the deal isn;t done??? Not Baltimore, they don;t have anyone to give up. the angels don;t have the money to take him since colon and escobar are there, and what do we get erstad who gets hurt and percival which he would be the only one worth it. and he isn;t even worth the price of maggs. Maggs is worth an high caliber, and a high caliber player is going to be traded for a high caliber player in return.

Spataro51...are you satisfied with winning the AL Central? I am not...I want more.

 

Be realistic, we're not as good as the Yankees, RedSox, A's, Mariners, Angels, and/or Twins; anyone of them would beat the Sox in a playoff series.

 

Since Reinsdorf won't spend the money to make the Sox a SERIOUS contender, nor will he sell the team to someone who will, what choice do the Sox have but to rebuild?

f*** rebuilding, it's a cop-out of a term that the organization uses so they can dump high salaries. Yeah let's trade for prospects so they can develop in the minors, play two seasons with us and get traded themselves.

Since Reinsdorf won't spend the money to make the Sox a SERIOUS contender, nor will he sell the team to someone who will, what choice do the Sox have but to rebuild?

How many times have the Sox 'rebuilt?' How many times have they got it right? Screw rebuilding. Sell Jerry Sell!!!!!

Spiff...I agree, but as long as that f*** Reinsdorf owns the team, that's the best you can hope for!

 

It sucks!

 

From Peter Gammons,

according to him the dodgers have said they are moving on and they will explore ofther options. Gammons said that nomar would stay in chicago and play out the year.

Which if this is true which i hope. We will have to find pitching somehow or some form. I do believe and this is just me speculating, the sox will keep nomar, and they will trade koch to the mets for the prospect. They will find a suitor for valentin to free up more money and they will hopefully get juan gonz to fill maggs's void in the out field and they will come to terms with garcia or armas, and another reliever.  That would be a nice christmas.

Or it all could be a SmokeScreen by the Dodgers

Right on, Fanof14, right on!!!

 

 

you could be right josh because maybe they are trying to get kenny nervous about taking on nomar if that is what kenny was going to do in the back of his mind was trade him(hope not) and this way it will hang over kw's head that he could be stuck with him and he might back out of the deal with boston, thus opening the dodgers to sneak back into the picture. But the dodgers don;t have any offense to give back especially someone of magglios caliber so i don;t see this happening but i could be wrong.

Just tell me where they get the pitching.

WE........are......f***ed. Sox need pitching more then they needed Nomar. If Nomar was traded directly to LA Sox could of recieved Perez, Mota, and Greg Miller. But by KW acting like a f***head and trying to steal Nomar under Evans nose we're stuck with him....and screwed out of a pitcher.

You know the trade didnt go threw right.....

What I meant (even though it didnt come out that way) is that by negotiating for Nomar to come to the Sox....instead of to LA we f***ed over evans; who was looking to trade for him. IF Nomar is traded to us we're stuck with him, and still have two open slots in our starting rotation. Perez could of been acquired from LA along with Mota and stud prospect Greg Miller. Sox would of had a higher likelihood of signing those three beyond 04...unlike Nomar.

Aren't we in re-build mode since 1998?

 

5 years, 1 playoff trip, 0 playoff wins.

 

The lottery of having Lee, Maggs, Konerko, Burhle, Foulke, Loaiza, Marte, Kip Wells, Garland play for PEANUTS is just about over as well. Now the payroll constraints are gonna come into play and our GM-y is gonna have to start earninbg his pay.

 

Without a Prior/Beckett-esque ace, we'll get crushed in the first round, and we lose Maggs/Nomar either way.

 

But NOT putting a PLAYOFFF team on the field is even WORSE as far as long-term popularity and success of this organization goes.

 

Common, Danny Evans, make it easier on us, give us Miller and Jackson and we'll give you Maggs. It will simplify everything for us.

If it does ever go through...I sure hope we're out of that Boston trade....Keeping Nomar does nothing for us. Will LA still do that Mags trade for Perez, Mota, and prospects?

Then...IF we get in the playoffs, we get pounded in the 1st Round...then we lose Nomar to free agency, and get NOTHING for him.

 

That's why you trade him for young pitchers/prospects, and REBUILD!

If you keep Maggs, you get nothing in return, unless you trade him at the trade deadline.

 

However, if you make the trade, you get Williamson for a year or two, and you get a compensation draft pick for Nomar(because we almost undoubtedly would offer him arbitration). The very best tcase scenario is that he signs a long term deal, the other worse best case scenario is that he accepts arbitration, worst case scenario is that he doesn't accept arbitration and we get a couple of draft picks from whoever signs him next year.

 

If we offered Maggs arbitration, we would be dumb sons of b****es. We would be giving him $15 mill. We didn't offer Everett arbitration this past season for the exact same reason, that is, we did not want to pay him $9 or $10 mill this year.

Maggs won't command those kind of dollars at arbitration in 2004 unless he hits like crazy this year.

Maggs won't command those kind of dollars at arbitration in 2004 unless he hits like crazy this year.

Ahhhhh.. It's like he's a Free Agent after 2004...

Aren't we in re-build mode since 1998?

 

5 years, 1 playoff trip, 0 playoff wins.

 

This bears repeating.

Then trade Nomar, Konerko and a prospect to the Angels for Percival, Washburn or Ortiz, and Erstad. :fthecubs

The Sox lead the league in rebuilding.

 

but strangely nothing good ever gets built.

 

and whenever we have some solid veterans to build around, free agency comes along and -- presto chango -- out da door they go.

 

Foulke, Durham, Ventura, Roberto Hernandez, now Maggs.

 

On and on and on.

 

Funn how that works.

 

"Rebuld' is just a marketing carrot management uses to keep selling tickets.

 

Rebuilding is for San Diego, Detroit or Pittsburgh.

 

A team in one of the largest markets in the country shouldn't be in a constant rebuild/dismantle cycle -- especially with nuttin to show for it.