southsider2k5 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I think you have to give Steinbrenner credit. Where Reinsdorf says he wants to bring a championship to the South Side, Steinbrenner does something about it! I know that the economics between the Sox and the Yankees are as different as night and day, but, George will do whatever it takes to bring a championship to New York. Major League Baseball has become akin to a game of high stakes poker...if you don't have the bankroll, you can't sit at the "big table". My problem with JR is, I know he has the bankroll, he just won't spend it! The solution...SELL JERRY, SELL!!!! And the Yankees are still making a big profit, even according to baseball's own accountants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Well as I see it, I would be willing to deal some prospect to be able to win today. No I wouldn't rape the farms for this but would deal a few. Prospects are just that and noone can be sure if they will make it in the bigs anyway. Good point, but Carlos Guillen is gone after this year. He is a FA and able to go wherever he wants. Would the White Sox resign him? He is also 28, so what he has done is pretty much what he is going to do. There is no more upside. What you see is what you get. What you get is a decent player both offensively and defensively. Nothing spectacular. Not much power. With Jose you have a left handed at bat with good power for a SS. Plus, contrary to what people think, he is a very good fielding SS. So you would have to give up a couple prospects for what most likely is a minor upgrade and you would have to hope to resign him for the future. For what? A couple million in savings? What then would you do with that couple million? Put it in your pocket? Spend it on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 They should be making a profit - their concessions are the most expensive of any ballpark, their tickets are very pricey, they have a great product on the field that people come out in droves to watch (hey, there's a novel concept!), and they have that huge television contract with the YES Network. Even with a payroll of 200 million smackers, George is still raking in cash hand over fist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Well with Guillen you wouldn't have better power but you would improve the defense. Jose is horrible defensively. He has good range but makes way too many errors. Plus isn't Jose well over 30?? So CG would be younger. Also as for CG being a FA next year isn't Jose going to be a FA also next year? So you would have to try and resign one or the other. Which would you take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Well with Guillen you wouldn't have better power but you would improve the defense. Jose is horrible defensively. He has good range but makes way too many errors. Plus isn't Jose well over 30?? So CG would be younger. Also as for CG being a FA next year isn't Jose going to be a FA also next year? So you would have to try and resign one or the other. Which would you take? Correct, Jose is 33 and a FA. I wouldn't be giving up prospects in order to obtain him so I wouldn't be as worried about resigning him. I have Juan Uribe as my SS of the future! I think you are underestimating Jose's defense. In 143 games at SS last year Jose had 20 errors. In 76 games at SS Carlos Guillen had 11. Another 32 games he played 3rd base with 3 more errors. That is 14 errors in 35 games less than Jose. Jose's range factor was 4.63 and his fielding percentage was .969. Carlos Guillen's fielding percentage at SS was .963 and his range factor at SS ws 4.12. Jose is actually a very good defensive SS. He gets no credit for it at all. I don't see the upgrade you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Oh yeah I am equally excited about Juan Uribe as our SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Just seeing buehrle's name in that article gave me the chills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Just seeing buehrle's name in that article gave me the chills. I wouldn't worry about it. Consider the source. Gammons is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I wouldn't worry about it. Consider the source. Gammons is an idiot. i know it's not going to happen anytime soon, but still it's a scary thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Just seeing buehrle's name in that article gave me the chills. With a long termish contract, MB isn't going anywhere until at least his option year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Correct, Jose is 33 and a FA. I wouldn't be giving up prospects in order to obtain him so I wouldn't be as worried about resigning him. I have Juan Uribe as my SS of the future! I think you are underestimating Jose's defense. In 143 games at SS last year Jose had 20 errors. In 76 games at SS Carlos Guillen had 11. Another 32 games he played 3rd base with 3 more errors. That is 14 errors in 35 games less than Jose. Jose's range factor was 4.63 and his fielding percentage was .969. Carlos Guillen's fielding percentage at SS was .963 and his range factor at SS ws 4.12. Jose is actually a very good defensive SS. He gets no credit for it at all. I don't see the upgrade you do. I'm disappointed. I was looking forward to EvilJester's reply to your post. I happen to agree with you, but I always listen to others perspectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 One thing to keep in mind folks. Both Reinsdorf and Steinbrenner are in their 70's, so something will have to happen before too much time passes. I'd hope they retire and enjoy the fruits of their labors. SOON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Ok take this for what its worth...which isn't much because Jose is still here and Detoilet has Guillen. CG - 6 years in the league. 369GP, 3021 innings, 44 errors, .969 FPct, 4.09 RF JV - 12yrs. 1093GP, 9032 innings, 214 errors, .958 FPct, 4.82RF Juan Uribe - 3 yrs. 298 GP, 2509 inns, 43 Errors, .971 FPct, 5.18RF. Now with these #'s if they continued at this pace I would see CG and JV very close. Juan Uribe has better range factor but makes a ton more errors...Joy for when he takes over..NOT!! I suppose the advantage has to go to Jose for power...just get him to not hit right handed anymore. He is a guarenteed out everytime hitting righty. I am just sick of seeing Valentin making errors at the most untimely moments in a game. Now mind you I am not much of a stat monger. Stats don't tell the whole story in my world. All for naught though cause we have Jose for this year anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Didn't we already have a thread about this yesterday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 As I stated yesterday, there are 3 untouchables on the Sox right now: Buehrle, Marte and Lee. None of them will be moved this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 17, 2004 Author Share Posted February 17, 2004 As I stated yesterday, there are 3 untouchables on the Sox right now: Buehrle, Marte and Lee. None of them will be moved this season. Thank you Ms. Cleo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Thank you Ms. Cleo. Would you seriously not agree with what I said, I'd like to know your true opinion Miss Doable one...BTW, how was your valentine's day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 17, 2004 Author Share Posted February 17, 2004 Would you seriously not agree with what I said, I'd like to know your true opinion Miss Doable one...BTW, how was your valentine's day? To be honest.. I don't think anyone is "untouchable" in this business. I think that any team will do whatever it takes to put themselves in the best position. For the Sox.. it's the best financial position. V-Day was great. The Grotto, that I was telling you about Saturday morning, was absolutely fantastic. How was yours - big stud.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 To be honest.. I don't think anyone is "untouchable" in this business. I think that any team will do whatever it takes to put themselves in the best position. For the Sox.. it's the best financial position. V-Day was great. The Grotto, that I was telling you about Saturday morning, was absolutely fantastic. How was yours - big stud.. Well it wasn't too great actually, I got rather sick that night and actually went to the doctor to get some medicine yesterday but I'm feeling a lot better today...some sort of allergy infection and a mid case of strep throat, but nothing that an antibiotic can't clear right up. Of course my V-day would have been better had I actually had a Valentine, but hey, that's my choice... Glad to hear you had a great time miss doable one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Also Steff, I know this will be of interest to ya cause I told you I was debating on whether to go out to Tucson. I'm going March 22-27 and I'm going to see 4 games. Got my grandfather to agree to come along with me so it should be good times. Then once the season rolls around I'll be looking forward to meeting up with you and the other posters at a few games and maybe even having a soxtalk tailgating party... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 You are right. Buehrle is not being paid a lot of money either Burhle is making 18 over 3. His 3.20 ERA days are over. He is a 3.75-4.00 ERA pitcher talent-wise. Overpaid. I like him much more at 4 Mill. Sox aren't like other team, we can't pay the market price and expect to compete. We need breaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Jose is actually a very good defensive SS. He gets no credit for it at all. I don't see the upgrade you do. I disagree. He was pretty good last year (I think you want to use Adjusted Zone Rating which was highest last year instead of RF, althought Jose's career RF is the highest in the majors), but overall he is a mediocre SS. Too many errors, although most of them don't lead runs as both 2000 and 2003 proved. But mediocre/average is a step up from terrible (which is what most morons thnk he is), so from that standpoint, you're right-- Val IS an underrated fielder.. He is not in Vizquel or A-Rod's league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 17, 2004 Author Share Posted February 17, 2004 Well it wasn't too great actually, I got rather sick that night and actually went to the doctor to get some medicine yesterday but I'm feeling a lot better today...some sort of allergy infection and a mid case of strep throat, but nothing that an antibiotic can't clear right up. Of course my V-day would have been better had I actually had a Valentine, but hey, that's my choice... Glad to hear you had a great time miss doable one... Holy crap! Glad you're feeling better. I wasn't feeling too good Sunday morning but I think it was cause we went on the boats Saturday after dinner and all that smoke got to me. We decided to go see my niece and the O's in March instead of Arizona. I don't get out to Baltimore as much as I'd like to see my "friend" so we can kill 2 birds with 1 stone by going out there. Ironically.. they are going to be playing the Yanks when we're there.. shouldn't be too crowded.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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