February 16, 200422 yr He said the Spankmes are old and everyone pounced. Both sides have valid points. The phrase, 'It's all relative' comes to mind when I read this thread. You are right. It is your own opinion what you feel old and what you feel isn't. I agree with you all the way. The Yankees are old relative to the rest of MLB. That is a fact. As a team they are old relative to MLB. Like it or not that is fact.
February 16, 200422 yr Exactly Brando!!! The Yanks are expecting much more out of these 2 players than the Alomars. This guy was comparing the production of the Alomars to Bernie frekin Williams and Kenny Lofton. I think you should reread certain posts before you comment. Noone was comparing those two. Just yourself.
February 16, 200422 yr He said the Spankmes are old and everyone pounced. Both sides have valid points. The phrase, 'It's all relative' comes to mind when I read this thread. Thanks. So it's nothing that great like Beastly's shower thread or Patrick Bateman's Steff thread?
February 16, 200422 yr Thanks. So it's nothing that great like Beastly's shower thread or Patrick Bateman's Steff thread? Not even close...
February 16, 200422 yr I remember some clutch hits and homers from Paulie last year, does that make him productive last year? Paulie hit .185 with RISP last year. For every dramatic game-tying homer he hit, he hit into 3 bases loaded DPs leading to a loss (loss to Anaheim in the second game on that s***ty road trip anyone?).
February 16, 200422 yr I think you should reread certain posts before you comment. Noone was comparing those two. Just yourself. Welcome back. I believe you did in terms of production. I have no idea why you even brought those names into the conversation. Productive to what standard? You have yuor standards of productivity, in my opinion, set a little low.
February 16, 200422 yr if he could give you a Tim Raines-like OBP, he wouldn't be making 5 Mill. Oh look at you yappin about Tim now..
February 16, 200422 yr Paulie hit .185 with RISP last year. For every dramatic game-tying homer he hit, he hit into 3 bases loaded DPs leading to a loss (loss to Anaheim in the second game on that s***ty road trip anyone?). DING DING DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!! Just because you occasionally get a game winning hit or game winning homer does not make you productive.
February 16, 200422 yr And why are you comparing him to an All-Star Bernie Williams? Bernie makes almost 3 times as much. Different player. Once again thank you Brando. He's the one wh's comparing these guys. Noone else.
February 16, 200422 yr Once again thank you Brando. He's the one wh's comparing these guys. Noone else. You brought them into this conversation for what reason then? If not to compare? Just to mention their names and say they are over 32 and productive? Productive in what aspect? Nevermind, it just didn't make sense that those names were even brought up in the conversation unless you meant to compare them.
February 16, 200422 yr Not that they will finish above 4th until they get some pitching, but I like the lineup in Texas for the future: CF Soriano 2B Young 3B Blalock 1B Teixiera RF Jordan DH Fullmer LF Dellucci SS (whoever they get to fill this spot) C Diaz
February 16, 200422 yr I do count Valentin's 25+ hrs 70+ rbi's very productive. The only thing not productive about him is his average. Same for Frank and the Alomar brothers. Roberto can still get on base and works the counts. Sandy is a very productive back-up catcher and gives you the clutch hits. Sounds explained to me.
February 16, 200422 yr He compensates for his lack of average with hitting when it matters more often than an average player. NEVER look at BA by itself. He also plays a SS position and not OF. if he could give you a Tim Raines-like OBP, he wouldn't be making 5 Mill. And why are you comparing him to an All-Star Bernie Williams? Bernie makes almost 3 times as much. Different player. I don't know why. A certain person brought his name up becuase he is 32 and "productive." I believe it was to compare to the Yanks players. This person now says it was mentioned just because they were over 32 and "productive." What ever floats their boat I guess.
February 16, 200422 yr Brando he was also injured a bit last year. When healthy he is good no doubt. I think the Yanks NEED him to be healthy. I don't know how you can speculate and be sure that all these pitchers are going to come through like that. Vazquez coming over to a different league? Leiber one year removed fom surgery? Brown almost 40? There is potential to be really good, but there is potential for it to be very bad as well. Umm... Kevin Brown made 32 starts and pitched over 200 innings last year as well as having a sub 2.50 ERA ( I don't feel like looking up the exact numbers). If he pitched over 200 innings I don't think injuries were an issue. Vasquez will be fine, I think he is pretty much a sure thing. I'll eat crow if he doesn't pan out but I expect him to win 18+ games this year barring injury. Contreras looked great to me down the stretch once the Yankees gave him a chance. Its fair to say that their pitching staff top to bottom is probably in the top 5 in baseball.
February 16, 200422 yr Not that they will finish above 4th until they get some pitching, but I like the lineup in Texas for the future: CF Soriano 2B Young 3B Blalock 1B Teixiera RF Jordan DH Fullmer LF Dellucci SS (whoever they get to fill this spot) C Diaz YOu think SOriano will stay on top? I thought with his power and speed combo that they would put him in the 3 hole.
February 16, 200422 yr YOu think SOriano will stay on top? I thought with his power and speed combo that they would put him in the 3 hole. I dunno, Blalock and Teixiera are both great hitters. I think they'll keep his speed at the top.
February 16, 200422 yr Umm... Kevin Brown made 32 starts and pitched over 200 innings last year as well as having a sub 2.50 ERA ( I don't feel like looking up the exact numbers). If he pitched over 200 innings I don't think injuries were an issue. Vasquez will be fine, I think he is pretty much a sure thing. I'll eat crow if he doesn't pan out but I expect him to win 18+ games this year barring injury. Contreras looked great to me down the stretch once the Yankees gave him a chance. Its fair to say that their pitching staff top to bottom is probably in the top 5 in baseball. He pitched 211 last year. I agree he is a good pitcher. No doubt. I just doubt he can stay healthy the entire year. I will eat crow if this Yankee staff with no additions finishes in the top 5. I highly doubt they are even close to being that good.
February 16, 200422 yr Umm... Kevin Brown made 32 starts and pitched over 200 innings last year as well as having a sub 2.50 ERA ( I don't feel like looking up the exact numbers). If he pitched over 200 innings I don't think injuries were an issue. Vasquez will be fine, I think he is pretty much a sure thing. I'll eat crow if he doesn't pan out but I expect him to win 18+ games this year barring injury. Contreras looked great to me down the stretch once the Yankees gave him a chance. Its fair to say that their pitching staff top to bottom is probably in the top 5 in baseball. I got them for you 99.. Pitching Statistics NAME G GS W L Sv Hld IP H ER HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA Kevin Brown 32 32 14 9 0 0 211.0 184 56 11 56 185 7.89 97.1 1.14 2.39
February 16, 200422 yr I dunno, Blalock and Teixiera are both great hitters. I think they'll keep his speed at the top. Good point, but what if they sandwich Soriano between Blalock and Texiera? Have a lineup of SS Young 3B Blalock CF Soriano 1B Texiera RF Jordan DH Fullmer LF Dellucci 2B Eric Young C Diaz Now how does that look?
February 16, 200422 yr Just to mention their names and say they are over 32 and productive? To be fair.....Robbie Alomar had AWESOME seasons in 1999-2001 when he was 31, 32 and 33 respectively. But if you want to get technical, HISTORICALLY, players PEAK at 28. So you could say Vlad Guerrero is past his prime.
February 16, 200422 yr Good point, but what if they sandwich Soriano between Blalock and Texiera? Have a lineup of SS Young 3B Blalock CF Soriano 1B Texiera RF Jordan DH Fullmer LF Dellucci 2B Eric Young C Diaz Now how does that look? I am not sure Michael Young can handle shortstop, but yes that would look good.
February 16, 200422 yr To be fair.....Robbie Alomar had AWESOME seasons in 1999-2001 when he was 31, 32 and 33 respectively. But if you want to get technical, HISTORICALLY, players PEAK at 28. So you could say Vlad Guerrero is past his prime. There are always exceptions to the rule Mr. Brando. In fact didn't our own Magglio's production slip a bit last year? I am not saying it willcontinue that way, but it did slip.
February 16, 200422 yr Not that they will finish above 4th until they get some pitching, but I like the lineup in Texas for the future: CF Soriano 2B Young 3B Blalock 1B Teixiera RF Jordan DH Fullmer LF Dellucci SS (whoever they get to fill this spot) C Diaz I don't think Jordan or Fullmer are part of the future. Don't they have a stud 1st baseman in the minors..? (I think gonzalez?) I'm sure they'll move him to 1st and move Teixiera to RF. They're pitching still needs help though.
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