February 13, 200323 yr How do you like this for ur 2003 White Sox: 1. Jimenez 2B 2. Rowand CF....... will everyone just f***in give him a chance 3. Thomas DH....... i have a feelin hes gonna b back to his old self 4. Ordonez RF 5. Konerko 1B 6. Lee LF 7. Crede 3B...... we all kno wut hes CAPABLE of 8. Valentin SS....... Provides good power for bottom order 9. Olivo C ........ Speedy 9th hitter, just wut i luv * i kno im gonna have disagreements on rowand bein 2nd, but imo theres no better choice Buerhle Colon Garland Wright Rauch Closer Koch ......... i think whole bullpen depends on his stability Setup Marte ......... i luv this guy Short Gordon ........ he better b healthy Middle White Long Glover Alt. Wunsch this is still a VERY young team and still has a whole lot to prove, but i would luv to be the underdogs and prove them wrong
February 13, 200323 yr Here's how i'd like it to look... 1. Jimenez 2B 2. Rowand CF 3. Thomas DH 4. Ordonez RF 5. Konerko 1B 6. Valentin SS - we need some pop from the left side behind the top 3. 7. Lee LF 8. Crede 3B 9. Olivo C Staff: Buerhle Colon Garland Wright Rauch Closer-Koch Setup-Marte Short-White Middle-Gordon Long-Glover LHP Specialist-. Wunsch
February 14, 200323 yr I agree with both of your lineup assessments, but the Sox are going to hit Valentin in the 2 hole and I see some of the logic behind that. Jose has a good bat and hits with power. Now put him in front of our big hitters and he'll get a ton of fastballs and should cream the ball like he did in 2000 when he was in the 2 hole. Frank, Maggs, PK, and the rest of the middle of the lineup aught to be ready cause they are going to get a lot of rbi shots.
February 14, 200323 yr Author that would b ok too i guess... but they really should put him down there cuz the bottom order really needs some more power and is full of youngsters
February 14, 200323 yr The Sox are definetly going to hit Valentin 2, but I agree with you guys I would love to see Rowand be the 2 hitter, and I think he would be the sox best choice batting 2nd, but I just don't think it's going to happen unfortunatly
February 14, 200323 yr I don't really like the idea of Rowand hitting 2nd. I just don't see it working. The only reason why it makes any sense to me is that you would have a lefthander at the bottom of the order. The thing with the lineup is that if there is a lefthanded starter, there is not a SINGLE lefthanded bat in the order. If you're a believer in the righty lefty matchups, that's good right? I also believe that White should be the shortman and have Gordon has the middle man.
February 14, 200323 yr I don't really like the idea of Rowand hitting 2nd. I just don't see it working. The only reason why it makes any sense to me is that you would have a lefthander at the bottom of the order. The thing with the lineup is that if there is a lefthanded starter, there is not a SINGLE lefthanded bat in the order. If you're a believer in the righty lefty matchups, that's good right? I also believe that White should be the shortman and have Gordon has the middle man. I think we'll see Daubach get a lot of the playing time against really good righties in favor of Carlos. Of course that all depends on whose hitting good and who isnt.
February 14, 200323 yr I agree. Daubach should be in there against those tough righties. Any of ourrighthanded power can guys can hit the mediocre-poor righties. But those aces give us trouble.
February 14, 200323 yr I think that the lefty-righty matchup strategy is way overrated. Lee hit righties almost as well as lefties last year, and over the last 3 years, he actually has a higher SLG and OPS against righties: vs. Left .286 .358 .431 .789 vs. Right .277 .337 .490 .827
February 14, 200323 yr we need balance in our line up...9 right handed bats against a left handed pitcher sounds great in theory but what tends to happen is the pitcher never has to pitch both sides of the plate..he gets locked in on one corner or the other and starts to hit those spots easily...you need 2 lefty bats in your line up that can handle left handed pitching....thats why a left -right - left -right line up is ideal..each at bat the pitcher has to switch sides and it tends to lead to mistakes
February 14, 200323 yr Ghost, Carlos does do a better job against righties because he goes with the pitch more. Versus lefties, sometimes he gets into "pull" mode. The best thing about Carlos is his walks were way up last year. That means he's maturing as a hitter. I look for a good year from him. As much as Leifer never got an extended chance, Daubach is a better fit on this team. He's got more experience and can spell Lee or Maggs or Konerko. It keeps everybody fresh and although Daubach strikes out a lot, he's got a pretty potent power bat. The key is getting all these bench guys a fair amount of playing time. Rios and Daubach will need to play 3 or 4 times a week, even if it's just a few innings per game. They can't be left to rot on the bench.
February 14, 200323 yr I don't really like the idea of Rowand hitting 2nd. I just don't see it working. The only reason why it makes any sense to me is that you would have a lefthander at the bottom of the order. The thing with the lineup is that if there is a lefthanded starter, there is not a SINGLE lefthanded bat in the order. If you're a believer in the righty lefty matchups, that's good right? I also believe that White should be the shortman and have Gordon has the middle man. If the other team starts a lefty, I think Jose will be on the bench usually. He just doesn't hit well right handed. I would imagine Graffinino would take his spot (or they might move Jiminez over to SS and put Graffy at 2B).
February 14, 200323 yr whatever line up we use i really dont care as long as jose is on SS and batting 2nd....for whatever reason when thats the case this teams energy level seems to be taken up a notch..jose really sparks the team out of the 2 spot and SS....plus its not like jose is a poor number 2 hitter...he can bunt and situational hit with the best in baseball
February 14, 200323 yr I agree that Jose should do really good in the 2 hole, but I also think last year the team did really good once Rowand was inserted in the two slot. The big reason I want Manos in the 2 hole is because he's a veteran and its better to have at least one guy in the first 2 slots thats you can kind of get a read on what he's going to do. We don't know what Jimenez will do and we don't really know what Rowand will do either.
February 14, 200323 yr Some really good points on the thread so far....if you ask me which lineup we'd put out there, I'd guess it would be something like Jimenez Valentin Thomas Maggs Konerko Lee Crede Rowand Olivo If I had my way, Lee would be gone and Daubach would take over LF fulltime, with Borchard being a bat off the bench...as for the rotation... Colon Buehrle Garland Wright Heredia/Loaiza/Rauch Each is a different pitcher, and in a series, you couldn't bank on one game plan...for instance....last year, the Giants ripped up RJ....and the next game they had Curt Schilling, and they ripped him up....I assume the reason is because the Giants were hitting those types of pitchers well at the time and they had one game plan, so they had time to get locked into that speed of a pitch....with the rotation of above....we have Colon, who can throw it 96-100, Buehrle, who throws it 85-92, Garland, who throws it 92-94, Wright, who throws it 94-96, and Rauch, who throws it 90-92 or so, though it looks a lot faster coming down from so high up. Koch Marte Gordon Glover Wunsch White No explanation needed. Probably have a bench of Daubach, Alomar, Graffy/Miles/Hummel/Nunez, Harris and probably Rios or someone else.
February 14, 200323 yr You didn't just suggest that Graffinino will be replaced by Miles, Hummel or Nunez, did you? I also don't see how Rios will not be on the club.
February 15, 200323 yr Author i luv graf as a pinch hitter, he has the talent. as for rios, i think he'll do pretty good, although i still would rather have ochoa as the sub outfielder.
February 15, 200323 yr You didn't just suggest that Graffinino will be replaced by Miles, Hummel or Nunez, did you? I also don't see how Rios will not be on the club. actually if graffy doesnt come back from his knee surgery thats exactly what could happen..id also throw josh paul 's name into that list i got a feeling that rios could end up traded during ST..if KW knew he was gonna get daubach so cheap i dont think he would have signed rios...rios is a head case anyways..get him out of here
February 15, 200323 yr Author i think the sox need to run a little more (finally a new running coach) and im glad that their defense will be upgraded...and they should play a little more "small ball" , bunt and set up runners for da big guys up there. im way too tired of seeing them start a pretty good inning and then strand them cuz they failed to advance the runners
February 15, 200323 yr I agree with both of your lineup assessments, but the Sox are going to hit Valentin in the 2 hole and I see some of the logic behind that. Jose has a good bat and hits with power. Now put him in front of our big hitters and he'll get a ton of fastballs and should cream the ball like he did in 2000 when he was in the 2 hole. Frank, Maggs, PK, and the rest of the middle of the lineup aught to be ready cause they are going to get a lot of rbi shots. I agree, Jason...Valentin right now is more of a set-up man in the lineup than the type who gets the big RBIs. He was "Mr. Clutch" in 2000, but he's lost that title. Here's how I'm seeing this pann out... Jiminez Valentin Thomas Ordonez Konerko Lee Crede Rowand (when he gets here in May--injured and not 100% at the start of the season) Alomar (Manuel's all but declared him our starting backstop) Colon (Experience over youth) Buehrle Garland Wright Rauch As far as our pen goes, I think Wunsch is going to have a BIG year! Marte is our best-kept secret, and will act as our set-up man. Gordon, when on his game, can be VERY dangerous as well. Of course, Koch is a solid closer.
February 15, 200323 yr i think the sox need to run a little more (finally a new running coach) and im glad that their defense will be upgraded...and they should play a little more "small ball" , bunt and set up runners for da big guys up there. im way too tired of seeing them start a pretty good inning and then strand them cuz they failed to advance the runners 247....we have 1-3 guys that can play small ball....and only 1 of them is at the top of the order(Rowand and Olivo at the bottom). Our team speed from last year is down, and we were slow as a whole for the team last year....I don't think running more would help us...in fact, I think running more would hurt us. However, I wouldn't mind if Valentin ran some more....get Thomas some fastballs....he could hit 10 2-run homers this year BECAUSE of Valentin. If we can get 20 SBs out of Jimenez, Valentin, Maggs, Rowand and Olivo, I will call it a friggin miracle...because that would be over 100 SBs as a team....that is un-friggin-canny. A team that can hit 250 homers and steal 120 bases....and the homers number is undervalued at that....because if the Sox are stealing 120 bases, they will see more fastballs, and with fastballs come more flat pitches(because that's what a fastball is), and with more flat pitches come more balls leaving the park....and if the short porch is added in 2004...and we have most of these guys back...and guys like Crede and Olivo and who not keep improving...and Joe Borchard demolishing the ball....I could potentially see us being a team that hits 300 homers. That is quite a few...but if you think about it that is an average of about 21.5 homers per person....and Maggs and Thomas will probably hit twice that many, if not more....and Borchard will probably hit 30 in 04, and if the short porch is there, possibly more....Konerko could rip it up....who knows....maybe Valentin is back and he hits 30-35....this could be a team to watch for years to come. OK, I'll stop with the fantasy now.
February 15, 200323 yr omg lmao.. sorry i have to comment here... hey heather.. are you aware you have a yard gnome on your avaitor????? i see hes in his usual position ..... looking skyward and wondering where the ball will drop........lmao..... sorry i just couldnt resist when i saw it..........
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