southsider2k5 Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 They are classy fans down there. You'll have no troubles. That is a dead stadium down there, not much passion at all. I went a few years ago in Sox stuff and nobody cared. Then again they sucked and were in last place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 There is a risk for anyone in a public place, you know it as well as I do. What's your solution, man? You've been whining about the problems, I agree with you there are problems. I hate the problems as much as you do. What's your solution? Sarcasm? I posted my solution and you said bull s*** and pointed out how violent sporting events are for the fans at other stadiums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 They are classy fans down there. You'll have no troubles. Thank you. I don't expect to because I'm not an obnoxious boor. I have been to St. Louis when the Sox were there, and had no problems, even though I was actively cheering for the Sox. There ways to support your team without being offensive. (I saw Magglio's 2nd career HR ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 That is a dead stadium down there, not much passion at all. I went a few years ago in Sox stuff and nobody cared. Then again they sucked and were in last place. I was there earlier this year. I saw the Rangers beat Freddy Garcia It wasn't dead. Good lively crowd even though the game was scoreless thru 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 Interesting, interesting take JimH. You have a very good thought process there. I've been to many of the Wings/Hawks games over the years. I don't think i necessarily get mad that the Wings fans wear jerseys and come in droves. It's just that i hate the wings. But even more, i hate our fans for not buying up the tickets and preventing this from happening in the first place (or Wirtz for selling them to them, i've heard stuff about selling directly to groups of them). In fact, thought i hate Detroit, i'll give their fans some credit for traveling in droves to support their team. Note that this doesn't mean the fair weather Chicago resident that wants to look cool in a Wings jersey. Those people get none of my respect. I think it adds to the rivalry and the atmosphere of the game. Now, i don't agree that fighting adds to the atmosphere of the game, don't get me wrong there. I appreciate wearing my team's colors to opposition stadiums (i've done this the most with the Illini). I see your point, JimH, and it's smart. Maybe some will call me to young or naive (i'm almost 21), but i just think i know what lines not to cross. When i wear my colors, i realize i'm in the opposition's stadium. I will cheer, but not go absolutely nuts or cheer at someone or against the opposition, etc. At IU, i was in the student section for a bball game. I got harrassed like all hell, believe me, but i just didn't talk back to ANYONE except the friend i was there with, and there were no problems, overall. I'd like to think i'm smart enough to realize i'm in the minority and while supporting your team, don't make yourself a huge target. I'd like to think most people could do this. You are wise beyond your years, you have it figured out. That's the key, knowing what lines not to cross. And you're smart enough to know there are lots of people out there who weren't blessed with your brains and street smarts. No one should expect trouble, and everyone should try to put themselves out of harms way as much as possible. And it's only my opinion that one way to do that is not to wear my Hawks jersey to Joe Louis Arena, for example. Let's face it, if I get a beer dumped on my head, I seriously doubt I would get the benefit of the doubt from Joe Louis Arena security. Not fair, but part of life. That's why I choose not to do it. And you know what? I've been to all sorts of arenas and stadiums rooting quietly and politely for Chicago teams ... with my wife, my dad, with groups of guys, you name it. Never had a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 That is a dead stadium down there, not much passion at all. I went a few years ago in Sox stuff and nobody cared. Then again they sucked and were in last place. It's too damned hot there to root passionately. Every time they do the wave at that place, 5 people collapse from heat exhaustion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 I posted my solution and you said bull s*** and pointed out how violent sporting events are for the fans at other stadiums. He called your experience at Hawks games bulls***. I read your post .. you suggested more ST holders. What else..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 You are wise beyond your years, you have it figured out. I taught him well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 It's too damned hot there to root passionately. Every time they do the wave at that place, 5 people collapse from heat exhaustion. I was just going to say that. I don't know how they do it (the players). The walk from the hotel lobby to the shuttle (about 50 steps..) and I was soaked from sweat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 I was just going to say that. I don't know how they do it (the players). The walk from the hotel lobby to the shuttle (about 50 steps..) and I was soaked from sweat! Ah Texas in July! I can't wait! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 There was one constant with all the fights I've seen happen and almost start - alcohol. Maybe since it seems that there are people out there that can't control themselves maybe they need to stop selling earlier. Being that I don't drink, it doesn't affect me one way or another, but I know many people like a beer or two at a game and it might tick some people off so I don't know how viable a solution this it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 He called your experience at Hawks games bulls***. I read your post .. you suggested more ST holders. What else..? for steff, I'll repost One thing that needs to happen is for Sox fans to not accept this behavior. If 20 people complained about the language instead of 1, things would have been different. I think we still have an image as the "Worlds Biggest Saloon". Our owner at the time even promoted it that way. That just takes time. Nothing we can really do about the next thing, but more season ticket holders would help. When I was attending Bulls and Hawks games, I had season tickets and of course got to know everyone around us. If a casual fan got out of line, there was a dozen or two to keep it in check. Good Sox fans cannot just stick their heads in the sand and pretend we're fine. I dislike reading negative stuff about the Sox as almost anyone, but when we load the damn gun and point it to our heads, why blame anyone in the media for pulling the trigger? When my kids were growing up, they didn't know the Sox played at night. I would only take them to day games. There is a huge difference in the fans between our day and night games. And finally. I had never seen a punch at a Bulls, Hawks, or Cubs game. Saw one at a Bears game in 1987. I have witnessed at least 20 shoving and punching fights at Cominsky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 I posted my solution and you said bull s*** and pointed out how violent sporting events are for the fans at other stadiums. No, I said I call bulls*** because your statement implied the problems are significantly worse at U.S. Cellular vs. Soldier Field, Stadium, UC, etc. And your solution again was what? That season ticket holder should kinda band together and police the goings on around them? Do you really think that will work? Help me out if I missed something Tex, I'm not being a wise guy here but I didn't see any specific solution other than you appealing to the greater good. I don't believe I ever used the word "violent" in regards to other stadiums, nor did I state or intend to imply that there are no problems at U.S. Cellular. You implied the problems at U.S. Cellular are/were worse than other Chicago venues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 You've only seen one fight at a bears game?! I've only been to two or three and have seen a few (none involving Brian lol). About 6 years ago Brian and his brother went to a Packers-Bears game when Brian was cold cocked. His brother, who has no qualms about calling out some of the stupid things Brian has done even says Brian didn't say a word through out the game. The funny part is some bears fan had it out with the guy after that and the guy who punched Brian, appologized to Brian and bought him a pop and all was well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 I assume you're referring to Veeck when you remarked about the World's Biggest Outdoor Saloon. That phrase was mentioned, but by the media. Maybe even Veeck mentioned it as a commentary on the state of affairs, but to say it was promoted that way is a misrepresentation IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 One thing that needs to happen is for Sox fans to not accept this behavior. If 20 people complained about the language instead of 1, things would have been different. I think we still have an image as the "Worlds Biggest Saloon". Our owner at the time even promoted it that way. That just takes time. Nothing we can really do about the next thing, but more season ticket holders would help. When I was attending Bulls and Hawks games, I had season tickets and of course got to know everyone around us. If a casual fan got out of line, there was a dozen or two to keep it in check. Good Sox fans cannot just stick their heads in the sand and pretend we're fine. I dislike reading negative stuff about the Sox as almost anyone, but when we load the damn gun and point it to our heads, why blame anyone in the media for pulling the trigger? When my kids were growing up, they didn't know the Sox played at night. I would only take them to day games. There is a huge difference in the fans between our day and night games. And finally. I had never seen a punch at a Bulls, Hawks, or Cubs game. Saw one at a Bears game in 1987. I have witnessed at least 20 shoving and punching fights at Cominsky. Then you have never been to a Hawks/Red Wings game. There are always fights at those games. Rightfully so, those Wing fans are obnoxious with the damn squids and s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 While we are on it, might as well throw this out: Games this weekend at Wrigley. My best guess is that it will be 75-80% Cubs fans. That's just my guess, don't kill me if i'm way off or anything. Friday i'm going for sure, Saturday i might go SRO. With smaller numbers of Sox fans, i think we need to just keep our mouths shut for the most part, because everyone is an even bigger target. Hell, you could end up being the only Sox fan within 50 feet of someone. I've been to Sox/Cubs at wrigley the past 4 years...6 or 7 games i think. Cubs win, i get harrassed walking out. Sox win, i still am quiet as hell. I've had crap thrown at me before 2 years ago. Just don't give them the time of day...just don't turn around or anything. If you need security go for it, but unless someone is extremely intoxicated, they'll lay off you after a while, i think. I don't know what to say about TexSox post besides the fact that he's wrong about the no fights at Hawks games. I agree people should complain more often (but don't do it in front of the offending person), i don't really know what else to do. Is telling people hey, be civil not an option? Ya, sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 You've only seen one fight at a bears game?! I've only been to two or three and have seen a few (none involving Brian lol). About 6 years ago Brian and his brother went to a Packers-Bears game when Brian was cold cocked. His brother, who has no qualms about calling out some of the stupid things Brian has done even says Brian didn't say a word through out the game. The funny part is some bears fan had it out with the guy after that and the guy who punched Brian, appologized to Brian and bought him a pop and all was well. I had bears season tickets when they were in Champaign (i was a freshman). I saw numerous fights at the Packer monday night game (i had seats in the horse shoe). Also a decent amount at the Vikings game. Other than that it was OK down there. I was at the miracle comeback against SF a few years back, and there were plenty of fights at that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 I'm going to Arlington to see the Sox vs Rangers on July 19. You can bet your ass I'm going to be wearing a Sox hat and politely cheering for the Sox. when I go to away games I wear our colors - and act like a guest in their house, as you say, politely cheer - I have had great conversations with folks at USCF in other team colors - and great conversations with fans when I was at their place - and outside of one time at Illinois football (and there were special circumstances there) never ever threat threatened. I think people respect that you are there to respectfully follow your team because they do the same. one time on the skyway toll booth on my way to USCF for a game against Baltimore I am pulling up with my Michigan license plates WHTESOX and next to me pulls up a car Indiana plates ORIOLES. We high fived and laughed - it is a sport after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 There was one constant with all the fights I've seen happen and almost start - alcohol. Maybe since it seems that there are people out there that can't control themselves maybe they need to stop selling earlier. Being that I don't drink, it doesn't affect me one way or another, but I know many people like a beer or two at a game and it might tick some people off so I don't know how viable a solution this it. To be honest with you.. I think if a tough example was set in the first place a lot of this crap would stop. Ligue got a slap on the hand. If he had gotten some jail time or somthing other than ust probation it might have deferred others from the bahavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 To be honest with you.. I think if a tough example was set in the first place a lot of this crap would stop. Ligue got a slap on the hand. If he had gotten some jail time or somthing other than ust probation it might have deferred others from the bahavior. Excellent point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 Cwsox, i wouldn't doubt you had a problem at an Illinois/Michigan game. Most people are so damn obnoxious and hate Michigan so bad that they'll jump at anyone with Michigan garb on. I mean, we don't have thousands of shirts flying around with "muck fichigan" on them for nothing. Hopefully it doesn't happen again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 for steff, I'll repost OK.. so complain more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 I do not see any value in arguing that another stadium has more problems. Would it help the Sox if more people attended games? Would more people attend games if fans were not getting their noses broke? If so called fans were not screaming profanities? You can argue all you want how other venues are just as dangerous, but the bottom line, people stay away from the Cell and attend games at Wrigley. Maybe characterizing Cub fans as yuppie drunks on cell phones actually helps their attendance. I'll even agree that Hawk games are now filled with fights. Maybe that is why the Hawks ranked 27 of 30 teams in attendance? Behind some big hockey markets like Phoenix and San Jose2003-2004 Attendance Numbers And the Bears were 24 out of 32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 OK.. so complain more. you asked, I assumed you couldn't find my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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