November 27, 200421 yr Sometimes I think KW shoots himself in the foot. He talks about getting a number starters and moving everyone else down. Argueably there is a handfull of those available. He should jsut shut up and say we want to solve our number five spot. That way if he gets a number 1 via trade or free agent everyone would be happy. if he gets a five then everyone would be happy. This club always boxes themselves in a corner. KW likes to talk. He is a bright guy but he likes to talk. Sooner or later if you talk a lot, something comes back and bites you. There is nothing wrong with wanting a stud #1 guy and push everyone else down, but the way it's been "leaked" it tends to bring more anxiety to an already angst ridden group (Sox diehards). If I were him, I'd say this: "OK Sox fans, we know we screwed up by not having 5 good starters, and we know we need more guys who can get on base. We are committed to solving those two issues, but it takes two to tango and we will do our best. That is what we can promise you. Additionally, I promise you I will personally do everything I can to get these issues solved. That's all I can tell you." Oh, and Cooper likes to talk too, jeezus, can he yakk. PS - Lantern = very attainable chicks. Features = hot chicks, in groups, often with unique attitudes. Bar Louie = strange chicks. Club 29 = ohmygod chicks. Just thought you'd like to know.
November 27, 200421 yr KW likes to talk. He is a bright guy but he likes to talk. Sooner or later if you talk a lot, something comes back and bites you. There is nothing wrong with wanting a stud #1 guy and push everyone else down, but the way it's been "leaked" it tends to bring more anxiety to an already angst ridden group (Sox diehards). If I were him, I'd say this: "OK Sox fans, we know we screwed up by not having 5 good starters, and we know we need more guys who can get on base. We are committed to solving those two issues, but it takes two to tango and we will do our best. That is what we can promise you. Additionally, I promise you I will personally do everything I can to get these issues solved. That's all I can tell you." Oh, and Cooper likes to talk too, jeezus, can he yakk. PS - Lantern = very attainable chicks. Features = hot chicks, in groups, often with unique attitudes. Bar Louie = strange chicks. Club 29 = ohmygod chicks. Just thought you'd like to know. Agreed. This has alot to do with marketing as well. They need to keep us interested. mariotti is one guy who is not fooled by this nonsense.
November 27, 200421 yr If I were him, I'd say this: "OK Sox fans, we know we screwed up by not having 5 good starters..... For 2 season's now
November 27, 200421 yr Agreed. This has alot to do with marketing as well. They need to keep us interested. mariotti is one guy who is not fooled by this nonsense. 40 year old guys still getting hot women...what is this??? Well I have a certain special lady myself so
November 27, 200421 yr Kenny Williams and John Paxson, as well as Ozzie Guillen are guys who are young and inexperienced and become too candid for their own good. I like all of those guys but to be honest they are choices that were sometimes done to please fans. Were any of these guys qualified fully when they got the jobs from JR? They have worked out to varying degrees of success but their shooting from the hip results from inexperience.
November 28, 200421 yr Kenny Williams and John Paxson, as well as Ozzie Guillen are guys who are young and inexperienced and become too candid for their own good. Were any of these guys qualified fully when they got the jobs from JR? No..... but they were cheap
November 28, 200421 yr 40 year old guys still getting hot women...what is this??? Well I have a certain special lady myself so Who? Please share, send email
November 28, 200421 yr Actually I am not sure if you are full of it again, or if that particular ticket is just an aberration, because I don't ever remember tickets being that cheap in the OF. When I was going to games in the mid 90's the UD reserved were $8. More than likely you have a half price ticket, which would put the full ticket price at $17 each (which would fall under LD reserved in sec 105), which makes much more sense. Now for the facts. If you look at average ticket prices 2004 was $21.56 http://www.teammarketing.com/fci.cfm?page=fci_mlb2004.cfm In 2000 it was $14.30. http://www.teammarketing.com/fci.cfm?page=fci_mlb2000.cfm Doing the math that is a 50% ticket increase, to accompany a 110% increase in payroll ($31mil to $65mil) So in reality, your arguement has holes in it. In reality you have gotten twice as much in payroll for what you are paying in tickets. So I guess that means (gasp) that JR and company has dipped into revenues to make up that difference. I must have missed your reply to this, Anthrax?
November 28, 200421 yr I must have missed your reply to this, Anthrax? OO sorry I didn't want to respond to the BS.. Since I have the ticket, and it says 8.50, and look at the ticket prices for 2005 and they are $30.
November 28, 200421 yr Southsider doesnt even have to make you look like a joke, you pretty much take care of that yourself.
November 28, 200421 yr What -- is that hard for you to understand? SS2k just totally proved you wrong, yet you're argument is that, "I have the ticket that says 8.50", which is totally BS. You = Joke. Is that clearer?
November 28, 200421 yr What -- is that hard for you to understand? SS2k just totally proved you wrong, yet you're argument is that, "I have the ticket that says 8.50", which is totally BS. You = Joke. Is that clearer? So my actually physical eveidence is BS.. Hmm intresting. So again, We have tripled the prices.. and only doubled our payroll.. REAL TICKET PRICES
November 28, 200421 yr So my actually physical eveidence is BS.. Hmm intresting. So again, We have tripled the prices.. and only doubled our payroll.. REAL TICKET PRICES Hmm... If only I knew what 'eveidence' was, then we'd have a nice little problem here...
November 28, 200421 yr OO sorry I didn't want to respond to the BS.. Since I have the ticket, and it says 8.50, and look at the ticket prices for 2005 and they are $30. BS? Yeah, I guess actual stats are BS in your world. All I have to do is say I have a ticket that has a face value of $50 in section 132, oh wow, so tickets are actually cheaper now... Saying something isn't proof of anything. Especially since if you actually have that ticket, it isn't a full price ticket, and isn't valid for the arguement anyway. To put it simply, the White Sox did not have a full price ticket that sold for $8.50 in 1999. But I can see how basing a ticket price arguement on one single half price ticket, would have a bearing on ticket prices, while average ticket prices would not. :rolly
November 28, 200421 yr Hmm... If only I knew what 'eveidence' was, then we'd have a nice little problem here... :sleep
November 28, 200421 yr So my actually physical eveidence is BS.. Hmm intresting. So again, We have tripled the prices.. and only doubled our payroll.. REAL TICKET PRICES And where is the evidence of the 1999 ticket prices?
November 28, 200421 yr BS? Yeah, I guess actual stats are BS in your world. All I have to do is say I have a ticket that has a face value of $50 in section 132, oh wow, so tickets are actually cheaper now... Saying something isn't proof of anything. Especially since if you actually have that ticket, it isn't a full price ticket, and isn't valid for the arguement anyway. To put it simply, the White Sox did not have a full price ticket that sold for $8.50 in 1999. But I can see how basing a ticket price arguement on one single half price ticket, would have a bearing on ticket prices, while average ticket prices would not. :rolly Speaking of which, I don't ever recall a full price ticket being sold as cents, rather than to the whole dollar (i.e. a ticket being 8.50 -- that doesn't make sense, they'd always round up and just have the ticket at nine bucks). But how could I question you, Anthrax? Ye who called Orlando Cabrera the best defensive shortstop in the AL?
November 28, 200421 yr BS? Yeah, I guess actual stats are BS in your world. All I have to do is say I have a ticket that has a face value of $50 in section 132, oh wow, so tickets are actually cheaper now... Saying something isn't proof of anything. Especially since if you actually have that ticket, it isn't a full price ticket, and isn't valid for the arguement anyway. To put it simply, the White Sox did not have a full price ticket that sold for $8.50 in 1999. But I can see how basing a ticket price arguement on one single half price ticket, would have a bearing on ticket prices, while average ticket prices would not. :rolly If I had a scanner I would scan it in and make it my avatar.. But I don't. So a ticket that is 8.50 for a yankee game, in 1999 is now 39.00 in 05... so again we tripled the seat prices and only doubled the payroll..why is this so hard for you to see?
November 28, 200421 yr But how could I question you, Anthrax? Ye who called Orlando Cabrera the best defensive shortstop in the AL? .. Thanks for putting words into my mouth your good at that..
November 28, 200421 yr BTW, I just checked a 1997 ticket I kept from one of the first Sox-Cubs games at Comiskey. Bleacher ticket, 1997, $10. It's hard for me to believe that Section 105 (RF, higher price than bleachers) would have cost less two years later. I think the ticket in question is a half price ticket. Edit: I also believe Keith is right re: his statement that tickets are always even dollar amounts vs. $8.50, $12.75, etc. Can't prove it but I do not recall anything but an even dollar amount.
November 28, 200421 yr If I had a scanner I would scan it in and make it my avatar.. But I don't. So a ticket that is 8.50 for a yankee game, in 1999 is now 39.00 in 05... so again we tripled the seat prices and only doubled the payroll..why is this so hard for you to see? Except for the fact you have a half price ticket, quite obviously, which makes your arguement garbage. Once again I have provided you with actual stats and figures, but you have convienetly buried your head in the sand to make your irrational rantings.... Have at it, since logic obviously has no place in your world.
November 28, 200421 yr BTW, I just checked a 1997 ticket I kept from one of the first Sox-Cubs games at Comiskey. Bleacher ticket, 1997, $10. It's hard for me to believe that Section 105 (RF, higher price than bleachers) would have cost less two years later. I think the ticket in question is a half price ticket. but, if it is a half price ticket.. For the record I don't know Its against the Yankees.. who is now a "Premier" ticket for $39.00 Again Tripled seat Prices Doubled Payroll
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