Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Much like Hermanson, Schoeneweis is a pitcher Williams coveted for a couple of years before obtaining him. "I would love to have Schoeney back, assuming the price tag fits in with what we are trying to do," Williams said. "We will get a better read on that as Dec. 20th approaches. "There's no doubt if we had him, in the bullpen or if we looked toward him as the No. 5 guy, we would be in better shape. We have to see about the price tag." December 7th: Deadline for a team to offer a free agent arbitration. Any free agents signed before this date will automatically be offered arbitration and the team who loses them will be compensated by the signing team, depending on type of free agent and where the signing team’s pick lies in the draft. Free agents who are not offered arbitration by this date will bring no compensation to their original club, regardless of classification. December 10th-13th: The annual winter meetings, where most of the big trades/free agent signings are officially announced. This is when a large majority of the impact moves take place, as well as the Rule 5 draft. December 19th: Last day for free agent to accept arbitration from team. If a player declines the offer of arbitration, he cannot sign with his original team until May 1st. If a player accepts, he is under contract for the 2005 season and is off the free agent market. December 20th: Last day to tender contracts to arbitration-eligible players who are not free agents. A large group of players will be “non-tendered” on this day, leading to a whole host of new free agents flooding the market. Non-tendered players can re-sign with their original club. I understand that the December 20th date that KW is refering to in the Non-tender deadline. If I'm reading this correctly, which I don't do often(I don't speak legalese), Shoeneweis falls into the category of arbitration eligible, but not a FA. I assume that KW's quote means they are trying to get something worked out with him without having to go the arbitration route, and would non-tender him, or work out a trade to get rid of him prior to the 20th? Is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I thought Schoeneweis was a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I think Rex is the best guy to help ya out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2004 Author Share Posted December 9, 2004 I thought Schoeneweis was a free agent. If he was, we would have had to offer him arbitration if we didn't have him signed by last night, in order to continue talks with him, or have any hope that he would be a part of the team before May 1. He has 6 years of Major league service, which would tell me that he is a 6-year FA, but I'm assuming, based on not seeing his name in the not offered arbitration list and KW's comments, that he didn't accumulate enough time on the roster in his first season to qualify as a year of service. If you can follow that, although he has played 6 years in the Bigs, I think he's got one more year of Arb eligibilty before he's a FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I also thought he was a free agent, but then I read the article on Chicagosports today and saw his name not on their for those offered or declined. But ya Cheat, reading between the lines it sounds like they would like to bring Scho back, but the question is will he be willing to be a team player and pitch out of the pen. Im' telling all of you, get him signed at 1.25-1.5 million and now we have one of the better bullpens in all of baseball. No doubt about it in my mind. It would be a major coup. If the Sox don't reach a contract with him by then, then I'm assuming he's gone and the Sox will non-tender him simply because they won't want the distraction of having him on the roster if he doesn't want to be a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Scho also gives us the option of another starter if we are forced to be put in that situation again. He did have some success in the role from April to May before his arm fell apart. But another lefty out of the pen couldn't hurt either. It all depends on the $$$$ though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I also thought he was a free agent, but then I read the article on Chicagosports today and saw his name not on their for those offered or declined. But ya Cheat, reading between the lines it sounds like they would like to bring Scho back, but the question is will he be willing to be a team player and pitch out of the pen. Im' telling all of you, get him signed at 1.25-1.5 million and now we have one of the better bullpens in all of baseball. No doubt about it in my mind. It would be a major coup. If the Sox don't reach a contract with him by then, then I'm assuming he's gone and the Sox will non-tender him simply because they won't want the distraction of having him on the roster if he doesn't want to be a reliever. Cheat, I think you got it........ I don't think KW wants to go to arbitration with him, because it would be too unpredicatble for a guy who is not a high priority. I'm sure they would like to keep him around if he expresses the desire to do what the club wants and KW can fit him into the right role, but that is a big if. Schoeneweis has been in the Majors six years, but 1999 was only a partial season. I don't have the exact number of days of service he obtained, but my guess it was not enough for him to be a free agent this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 If we bring Scho back, I could see cotts getting moved in any potential deal. Three lefties is a nice luxury to have but it's not super-important. I'm not sure if a team like the A's would be interested in him in a trade given that they gave him to us before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2004 Author Share Posted December 9, 2004 Ok then, Just to help some people out... Here's the guys who are under 6 years of service, and what I expect the sox to do in the next couple weeks. Juan Uribe -- Arbitration Eligible -- Sox will try to avoid arbitration and give him a 1 year deal before the 19th. They will re-evaluate Uribe at the end of the year as to whether he is worthy of a multi-year deal and an everyday SS or 2B role. Aaron Rowand -- Arbitration Eligible -- Sox will try to avoid arbitration and give him a 1 year deal. During the upcoming season I see the Sox trying to work out a 3 year extension. Timo Perez -- Arbitration Eligible -- They'll offer him arbitration, and will look to avoid it with a 1 year contract, but it wouldn't suprise me if they can't get one done that he has to go through entire process. Ben Davis -- Arbitration Eligible -- same as Timo -- In the unlikely event that he is performing well throughout most of the 2005 season, I could see the Sox signing him to a two year extension before the season is out. Scot Schoeneweis -- Arbitration Eligible -- Sox will guage his interest over the next couple weeks, and decide how he fits in with their plans. If both sides can agree Scot will be pitching for the sox in some capacity next season. If they can't reach an agreement, he's likely to become non-tendered, making him an outright free-agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2004 Author Share Posted December 9, 2004 If we bring Scho back, I could see cotts getting moved in any potential deal. Three lefties is a nice luxury to have but it's not super-important. I'm not sure if a team like the A's would be interested in him in a trade given that they gave him to us before. I was thinking about this during lunch... I would love to see Cotts get some more development time as a starter in AAA. The more innings he can pitch, the better. The more he learns to get himself out of jams the better. The past season with him coming in out of the pen, and geting pulled in favor of firemen spreading gasoline on his fires, did nothing to help the development of promising young pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 If the Sox decide to non-tender Scott, they should offer him to Baltimore for Gibbons before the non-tender deadline. C'mon Kenny, think man. Think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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