18! I was surprised. I thought that Cliffy had a shot at something with 5 so early in the season. He's got a long way to go.

18! I was surprised. I thought that Cliffy had a shot at something with 5 so early in the season. He's got a long way to go.

 

 

who the hell had 18????

who the hell had 18????

Roy Face, in 1959

The most by an American League Reliever is 17 accomplished by Bill Campbell in 1976 and John Hiller in 1974.

Koch had 11 or so with 40 saves before we got him, now that's valauble to a fantasy team

Koch had 11 or so with 40 saves before we got him, now that's valauble to a fantasy team

Then what happened....

Koch had 11 or so with 40 saves before we got him, now that's valauble to a fantasy team

 

That probably because of all his blown saves.

Roy Face went 18-1 in 1959 for the Pittsburgh Pirates.

That probably because of all his blown saves.

11 Ws 44 SVs 6 BLSV 3.27 ERA 93 Ks

Then what happened....

 

You don't want closers to have wins...or losses...Koch kept blowing leads that his team would regain in the bottom of the ninth....that's why I never understood trading for that guy....although we did get Cotts...

Rightbut you also have to remember that Oakland used their closers differently so its not that he blew 20 saves and hung on to win half. They'd bring in guys early or in tied games. Not saying he didn't blow a few for them but it wouldn't be entirely accurate to say his 11 wins were undesirable

18! I was surprised. I thought that Cliffy had a shot at something with 5 so early in the season. He's got a long way to go.

That's pretty damn impressive. My hat is off to Roy Face .

You don't want closers to have wins...or losses...Koch kept blowing leads that his team would regain in the bottom of the ninth....that's why I never understood trading for that guy....although we did get Cotts...

Cotts really didn't turn out as we expected him to until partially last year and now this year.

Rightbut you also have to remember that Oakland used their closers differently so its not that he blew 20 saves and hung on to win half. They'd bring in guys early or in tied games. Not saying he didn't blow a few for them but it wouldn't be entirely accurate to say his 11 wins were undesirable

 

Koch led the league in 2002 with 9 blown saves...here is an article about some of the times the A's came back to save his ass...like I said, I don't understand why we ever traded for this guy...

 

Koch Blows

Koch led the league in 2002 with 9 blown saves...here is an article about some of the times the A's came back to save his ass...like I said, I don't understand why we ever traded for this guy...

 

Koch Blows

I like the link title. It's so true.

wins as a closer is not much to proud of. More than likely, if you are the closer and you have 11 wins, its because of how piss poor you pitched in blowing a save, and then finishing out the inning and having the offense pick up for your misfortune.

I don't expect Cliff to win 18, but with the amount of close games the Sox play, it's certainly possible.

wins as a closer is not much to proud of.  More than likely, if you are the closer and you have 11 wins, its because of how piss poor you pitched in blowing a save, and then finishing out the inning and having the offense pick up for your misfortune.

 

I don't think Cliff has any reason to be anything but proud of his wins.

I don't expect Cliff to win 18, but with the amount of close games the Sox play, it's certainly possible.

It is very possible, the way Cliff has been pitching, and the way we seem to comeback whenever he pitches i wouldn't doubt that he could do it.

Cotts really didn't turn out as we expected him to until partially last year and now this year.

He's 25 and has only been in the league since the beginning of last year. He had awesome minor league number but struggled when he first came up as a pitcher.

 

Cotts became a pretty good prospect in 2003 with the numbers he was putting up at Charlotte. He has now settled down in his second season in the big leagues. That's kind of an ignorant statement to make, saying that he didn't really turn out as we expected him to until partially last year and now this year considering last year was his first season in the bigs.

He's 25 and has only been in the league since the beginning of last year. He had awesome minor league number but struggled when he first came up as a pitcher.

 

Cotts became a pretty good prospect in 2003 with the numbers he was putting up at Charlotte. He has now settled down in his second season in the big leagues. That's kind of an ignorant statement to make, saying that he didn't really turn out as we expected him to until partially last year and now this year considering last year was his first season in the bigs.

He WAS a starting pitcher in the minor leagues, from that standpoint he didn't turn out how he was expected to. When we called him up he was a starting pitcher and sucked at it so we moved him to relief. In relief he has done well. As a starting pitcher not so well. I love what Neal has done for us this year, but he was susposed to be a good starting pitcher and he just isn't one. He is a good reliever. And since when was the truth ignorant?

Edited June 20, 200520 yr by sayitaintso

I don't think Cliff has any reason to be anything but proud of his wins.

 

Oh, no doubt...these could be considered holds, if he hadn't of gotten a win...his are different...Usually having wins as a reliever is bad.

Oh, no doubt...these could be considered holds, if he hadn't of gotten a win...his are different...Usually having wins as a reliever is bad.

But in this case they aren't .

Oh, no doubt...these could be considered holds, if he hadn't of gotten a win...his are different...Usually having wins as a reliever is bad.

Having wins as a closer is bad.

That probably because of all his blown saves.

 

You don't want closers to have wins...or losses...

 

wins as a closer is not much to proud of.  More than likely, if you are the closer and you have 11 wins, its because of how piss poor you pitched in blowing a save, and then finishing out the inning and having the offense pick up for your misfortune.

 

Having wins as a closer is bad.

Hey guys! I just had this interesting, original idea. Maybe it's not great for closers to have a bunch of wins. Maybe it just means they blew too many saves. Whaddya guys think, is that a good idea? Huh? Huh?