Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 From the trib: The Sox's pitching staff has allowed one run in its first two games of the second half. At the same time, Sox special assistant Bill Scherrer was in Toronto scouting left-handers Ted Lilly and Gustavo Chacin. My 2 cents: There is zero chance that the Jays will deal Chacin to the Sox unless its part of a larger deal that gets Burnett or another high caliber starter to Toronto. I also feel that as of now Ted Lilly is off the market. However, if the Jays slump and fall out of the race, Lilly could be had (it will cost a decent amount), but he's a solid lefty that could move into the pen during the post-season and give the Sox innings. He's also been on fire the past two months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs Suck23 Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Holy s*** I would love to have Gustavo on the Sox that would be huge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 That's interesting that they are scouting Chacin considering the Jays probably have no intention of trading him to the Sox. Maybe a 3-way deal or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 02:47 PM) Holy s*** I would love to have Gustavo on the Sox that would be huge ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Id woudnt want lilly at all though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 11:47 AM) Holy s*** I would love to have Gustavo on the Sox that would be huge I just don't see why the heck the Jays would deal a youngster that they and so many seem so fond of. It just doesn't make sense, especially if they are getting more prospects in return (which is what the Sox could offer). Only thing I could see, like I said earlier, is some type of 3 way deal, but even than I'd have my doubts. Is Gustavo really that good? I saw him pitch yesterday and he looked alright. I mainly think he's doing good because he has a deceptive delivery, but his stuff doesn't overly impress me at least (I only saw his start against he Sox earlier in the year, part of last nights start and bits of pieces of a few other games). I do realize he's young, but am I the only one that thinks people are over-hyping him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 It's a far Far Far stretch to go from us having a scout at the BJ game to us trading for Chacin or even Lilly. We may also be looking at Hillenbrand or Hinske who both can backup either 1st or 3rd or we could be interested in Bautista who is also rumored to be on the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(upnorthsox @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) It's a far Far Far stretch to go from us having a scout at the BJ game to us trading for Chacin or even Lilly. We may also be looking at Hillenbrand or Hinske who both can backup either 1st or 3rd or we could be interested in Bautista who is also rumored to be on the block. Hillenbrand would be a great addition. That would allow us to trade or put crede on the DL and he could play 1st base for us next year when we lose Kong Edited July 16, 2005 by ScottPodRulez22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 QUOTE(upnorthsox @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 12:05 PM) It's a far Far Far stretch to go from us having a scout at the BJ game to us trading for Chacin or even Lilly. We may also be looking at Hillenbrand or Hinske who both can backup either 1st or 3rd or we could be interested in Bautista who is also rumored to be on the block. Batista/Lilly both make a lot of sense. Hilly could make some sense, but I think the Sox are going to hold tight on the Crede front and see what Crede does these next few weeks. If things go well, they'll stick it out with him, but if he struggles and finds himself on the DL, a deal will be made (I'm convinced the best option is Omar with Juan moving to 3rd). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Chacin is from Venezuela...Another Venezuelan connection with Ozzie? Chacin came out of some special Venezuelan baseball academy. I wonder if Ozzie was connected to that in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 So I take it I'm the lone person that thinks he's over-rated. His stuff is nothing special and he gets by with deception, imo. He gives up a good amount more hits per inning pitch and doesn't have high strikeout totals. Consider me un-impressed and dissapointed if the Sox acquire him (cause I think it would cost an assload to get him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) Batista/Lilly both make a lot of sense. Hilly could make some sense, but I think the Sox are going to hold tight on the Crede front and see what Crede does these next few weeks. If things go well, they'll stick it out with him, but if he struggles and finds himself on the DL, a deal will be made (I'm convinced the best option is Omar with Juan moving to 3rd). They could get Hinske though for little more than picking up his contract and they'd feel no pressure at all to have him sitting on the bench behind Crede and Kong, that would not be the case with Hilly. Btw, I also prefer Omar, but Crede stays at 3rd, Juan super sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 QUOTE(upnorthsox @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 12:15 PM) They could get Hinske though for little more than picking up his contract and they'd feel no pressure at all to have him sitting on the bench behind Crede and Kong, that would not be the case with Hilly. Btw, I also prefer Omar, but Crede stays at 3rd, Juan super sub. If Crede is healthy yes, if Crede is hurt or something than I said to me the best option would be getting Omar and moving Juan to 3rd. I think thats better than Juan at SS and Randa at 3b. To me Juan is a very strong defensive player (wherever he is in the infield). The big reason I'm not a fan of moving for Hilly or Hinske is they both blow ass defensively at 3rd and I don't want to see the Sox hurt their defense (if Crede goes on the DL) by acquiring a guy that can't field (I have the same feelings for Huff). If the Sox trade for a 3rd baseman or a middle infielder, they better be able to field the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 03:08 PM) So I take it I'm the lone person that thinks he's over-rated. His stuff is nothing special and he gets by with deception, imo. He gives up a good amount more hits per inning pitch and doesn't have high strikeout totals. Consider me un-impressed and dissapointed if the Sox acquire him (cause I think it would cost an assload to get him). I see him at best a three most likely a four. Most scouts ( from what i have read in the past) and even most blue jays fans don't think he is nearly as good as he is pitching. They are just riding his streak of good pitching and are ready for him to fall back down to earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southside hitmen Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Hillebrand would be a very nice pick up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 12:17 PM) I see him at best a three most likely a four. Most scouts ( from what i have read in the past) and even most blue jays fans don't think he is nearly as good as he is pitching. They are just riding his streak of good pitching and are ready for him to fall back down to earth. Good...I just see everyone drooling about him and personally I think they are crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 03:18 PM) Good...I just see everyone drooling about him and personally I think they are crazy. It also makes no sense that they would trade someone they have control over for the next four years or so. They need to add talent at the major league level without subtracting it. They have a good enough sytem ( and free agent money in the next two years) that trading young major leaguers should not be needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 12:20 PM) It also makes no sense that they would trade someone they have control over for the next four years or so. They need to add talent at the major league level without subtracting it. They have a good enough sytem ( and free agent money in the next two years) that trading young major leaguers should not be needed. Exactly. I could see to a lesser extent Lilly (if they fall out of the race) but as of now I don't see why they would deal major league players when they are trying to build the club and have a system. Especially when everyone is saying they are capable of adding payroll the next couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Chisoxfn, Your signature is just plain sacreligious, you realize this, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I'd love to have a player with the same 1st name I do on the team. GRAB GUSTAVO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 09:31 PM) I'd love to have a player with the same 1st name I do on the team. GRAB GUSTAVO Now that's just silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 The Sox also have followed Toronto left-hander Ted Lilly this month. Lilly will earn $3.1 million this season and is eligible for arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 08:08 PM) So I take it I'm the lone person that thinks he's over-rated. His stuff is nothing special and he gets by with deception, imo. He gives up a good amount more hits per inning pitch and doesn't have high strikeout totals. Consider me un-impressed and dissapointed if the Sox acquire him (cause I think it would cost an assload to get him). I haven't seen chacin pitch, but I can't see the sox going after a young guy and then count on him to help in the playoffs. They should get a guy like Lilly who is versatile and has thrown in pressure situations. Lilly gets his fair share of K's, which is what the sox need from a SP/ long reliever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.