My dream scenerio

[daa84]

NO my daddy can beat up your daddy this is your best defense?

 

Giles and Furcal are both FA at the end of year..See there is process

 

Free Agency Rules:

 

# Must have 6 full years of Major League service time to be eligible for free agency (both Disabled-List and Active Roster time count for service) (1 year of service is equal to 182 days or the number of days fro, Opening Day thru final day of season)

# The players' contract must also expire for him to be eligible for Free Agency

# Players can not sign with other teams then their own until after the 15-Day Period following the conclusion of the World Series. During the 15 days they can negotiate with their previous team and if an agreement is not reached, that player can file for Free Agency.

# Sometime between Dec. 18 and Dec. 22 players who are not arbitration eligible, cannot re-sign with their old teams until May 1st of the next year. 

# Players who are offered arbitration can re-sign till January 8th. On this day they must declare whether they accept or reject arbitration. If he accepts arbitration he has re-signed with his old team can still can sign a deal with that team before his arbitration hearing. If he goes into arb., the single year contract value is decided by an MLB arbitrator

# An un-signed player who has at least 3 years of service time is also eligible for arbitration. The top 1 third of players as determined by their statistics are also be eligble for arbitration. Players are arb.-eligible again in there 4th and 5th years of service, if he does not have a multi-year contract and meets requirmentss. A player with 2 years of service time, if an arbitrator deems the player a Super-Two. This usually happens if a player has  been a starter for his first two seasons and his stats resembles those of the top players at that position.

# A minor league player who has spent the previous six years with the same organization is also eligible for minor league free agency. A player that has six years of minor league service, with various teams, is also deemed a six-year Minor League FA.

# At the end of each year each free agent is dubbed a Type A or Type B or Type C depending on their stats with Type A free agents being at the top third of the stats that MLB uses. A team that loses a Type A free agent is compensated with the 1st round pick of the team that signs him. This team also gets a supplemental or sandwich pick between rounds 1 and 2. A team losing a Type B free agent is simply compensated with the highest player that is signed. For instance if Team A signs X and O but only O who was picked in the 2nd round was signed. Team B would only get Player O not X.  But in both cases a team selecting in the 1st half of the 1st round cannot lose its 1st round pick. Teams that lose Type C free agents are compensated with a sandwich pick between rounds 2 and 3.

im not gonna comment on the last few posts cuz quite frankly they are too long too read, but these posts are pointless. we are debating based purely on only the moves that someone wants to see happen? i mean these aren't even rumors that come from a newspaper, they are just some rumors from a poster. this is dumb. quit arguing about it. who cares

[YASNY]

Why does the term 'blow hard' keep popping into mind? :headshake

[knightni]

Would the trade proposals that I made, be feasable?

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...78entry793478

[JoshPR]

BWAAAAAHAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAA      

 

Rotisserie League, paging Anthrax.

 

Xbox, paging Anthrax.

 

Go away, your 15 minutes have long been over.

 

 

Why Jim?? I don't think he said anything exagerated. I've seen worse on this board, Hell Really worse. I don't agree many times with Anthrax but that wasn't a bad post. Only maybe the Giles thing.

 

Ohh and another thing, Why anybody else comes up with these REALLY Stupid and unreal trade ideas and no one says anything and cause anthrax says it he gets blasted. I know he's been annoying in the past but this time he was expressing an opinion, Another thing i think it's sad you say go to this and that board, What are you saying there??? Sorry nothing personal just My 2 cents

Edited July 25, 2005 by JoshPR

[YASNY]

Would the trade proposals that I made, be feasable?

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...78entry793478

 

I wouldn't make those deals. I'd rather have Crede at 3B than Shae. I also wouldn't trade Jenks away. I think he'll actually be a major contributor to the this team THIS year.

[Guest JimH]

Why Jim?? I don't think he said anything exagerated. I've seen worse on this board, Hell Really worse. I don't agree many times with Anthrax but that wasn't a bad post.  Only maybe the Giles thing.

 

Ohh and another thing, Why anybody else comes up with these REALLY Stupid and unreal trade ideas and no one says anything and cause anthrax says it he gets blasted. I know he's been annoying in the past but this time he was expressing an opinion, Another thing i think it's sad you say go to this and that board, What are you saying there??? Sorry nothing personal just My 2 cents

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Josh,

 

I think my statements stand for themselves ... as you said, just my .02 . It's the same MVP Baseball xbox stuff over and over and over. And, the inability to distinguish the difference between fact and opinion. Yas summed it up perfectly (see above).

 

As for wanting him to go to another board, again, just my .02 and I suspect the .02 of dozens of others here.

 

When you say no one else gets blasted for wacky way out trade ideas, I disagree. People get blasted for that stuff almost every day. In fact Josh, here's a quote from one of the site admins just this evening (and I agree with him):

 

"I'm getting sick and tired of MVP trades being thrown out there and people thinking Dye as a regular first baseman. GMAFB."

 

I suppose I could have just quoted this guys post and said "give me a f***ing break", but I thought I'd amplify to reinforce what others have said many, many times.

 

Thanks for your thoughts though.

Edited July 25, 2005 by JimH

[DBAHO]

Well since everyone seems to want to be the GM.. Why not listem to the man of reason .. And who else to bring it to you straight than well ME..

 

Well after 4 years of giving away our farm system for below avg MLB players KW finally realized that this is not the best way to keep one of the easiest jobs in baseball. So finally after JR hired Ozzie, and Ozzie spoke his Mouth KW finally changed the makeup and I give you the 2005 white sox. But with that being said we are pretty much set as a team. KW with his many many failures finally realized that you can not give up the farm.. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks, someone needed to give him my number 3 years ago..We as fans would have been seeing this type team since 03..Other than a RP we are not going after anyone big. It doesn't make any sense, granted we are close to the big pitcure..but, we are missingabout 2-3 pieces that we cannot get till this offseason. These past couple of series against Oak and Boston further proving that we are close but don't have enough to win against the playoff teams.

 

So here is by far the best plan to compete for the crown

 

C- Resign AJ to a 3 year deal, This is by far one of KW best moves in actually doing his job and proving us wrong for the first time in years.. AJ, should get rewarded.

 

1B- Well here is where most will disagree because of your love of Pauly, But he is not the answer by any means, So this offseason we trade off Contreas and Dye to Milwaukee For Lyle Overbay and a minor leaguer.. OverBay is what we need at this postion. Very good D, hits for contact. When you see the lineup you will understand where he fits

 

2B- Iguchi, he needs an exentsion.. AS I stated when I first started on this board, I belived that this is what we needed to secure this postion. ANd so far he is everthing that I knew he would be.

 

SS- This is a postion that I stated in the offseason we needed to bring in another options, that Uribe was not the answer here. But, leave it to KW aftere failing to secure the postion to overpay for a UTL player in Uribe. So this offseason, we need to finallize this postion for the next 4-5 years with someone who is an everyday SS, that is Rafel Furcal. He fits exactly everything we are looking for out of a SS.

 

3B- Crede, He stays.. His D is way to valueable, I was wrong to think that Uribe could just take over..

 

LF- POds.. I don't think I have to explain on why he needs to stay or why he should get an extension

 

CF- Rowand.. Already signed and very good just needs to get over that hump.. and he will no worries

 

RF- With Dye gone we need a replacement, and the best option is Brain Giles, an LHB RF with speed. Granted over the years Giles speed isn't what it once was but enough to grant him a Spot in RF

 

DH- Here is where it gets tricky. I love Frank and want to see him retire a Sox..But not at the money he is making.. We have to make damn sure that he is healthy..But evern still if he is anything more than 4 mil a year is way to much for 1 dimental player.

 

SP

Marky and freddy are signed for a while no need to mess with this duo

Garland..Sign a 2 year deal, I am not sold on his sucess this season..But I have been known to be wrong every once in a while

Now onto starter # 4

There is only 1 option that makes sense that fits what it is what we are looking for..

Jarrod Washburn, Angels have stated that they are not going to resign, he fits what it is that we would need..

 

And leave ElDque as our #5 this leave us to skip some if his starts to help him not miss to many starts when we need him

 

So here is the lineups going into next year

 

LF- Scott Pods

2b- Iguchi

RF- Giles

DH Thomas

1b OverBay

CF Rowand

C Aj

3b Crede

SS Furcal

 

1- Marky B

2. Garcia

3. Washburn

4 Garland

5. Hernandez

1 - Milwaulkee is not going to trade Overbay for the sake of trading Overbay. They will NOT want Jermaine Dye, they already have Carlos Lee, Geoff Jenkins and Brady Clark in the outfield. If they don't get an offer they like with Overybay, they'll just give Fielder a couple of games a week to ease him in to the majors.

 

2 - Where do you hit Furcal in the lineup? How much money do you give to a guy over 4 to 5 seasons who has a .318 OBP for a leadoff hitter?

 

3 - How much do you give Brian Giles, and don't you think the Padres will re-sign him now considering they want to get rid of Phil Nevin?

 

4 - Washburn is a flyball pitcher. His stats at the Cell would be worse than Jose Contreras this season. He has a BAA of .283, Contreras has something like .230.

[JoshPR]

Josh,

 

I think my statements stand for themselves ... as you said, just my .02 .  It's the same MVP Baseball xbox stuff over and over and over.  And, the inability to distinguish the difference between fact and opinion.  Yas summed it up perfectly (see above).

 

As for wanting him to go to another board, again, just my .02 and I suspect the .02 of dozens of others here.

 

When you say no one else gets blasted for wacky way out trade ideas, I disagree.  People get blasted for that stuff almost every day.  In fact Josh, here's a quote from one of the site admins just this evening (and I agree with him):

 

"I'm getting sick and tired of MVP trades being thrown out there and people thinking Dye as a regular first baseman. GMAFB."

 

I suppose I could have just quoted this guys post and said "give me a f***ing break", but I thought I'd amplify to reinforce what others have said many, many times.

 

Thanks for your thoughts though.

 

 

Thanks Jim, No harm meant. I just tought that one post wasn't so bad. But I do agree with the Dumb MVP trades and people wasting a whole thread on a unrealistic idea that won't happen, and it has to stop. Thats why i just make fun and laugh at many of those ideas thrown out there

[whitesox61382]

I didn't mean for this thread to get out of hand. I figured that this time of year it is always fun to play fantasy GM, so I put together some trades that I would like to see made, that would interest the Sox, with players who are available, and were the other team gets a fair return(no Pujols for Uribe and a bag of balls). I was hoping that the title would keep people from thinking that this thread was all that serious or that I think it is likely to happen. Just a little fun.

 

"Talk about shredding your system to hell."

 

In my scenerio the Sox would trade a few prospects, but it certainly wouldn't shred the minor league system. Prospects are nothing more then unproven potential, and the sooner you realize that and become unafraid to trade them for PROVEN MAJOR LEAGUE TALENT the better off you will be. Now obviously that doesn't mean trade every decent prospect in your system, however the Sox system would still be in pretty decent shape with McCarthy, Gio, Sweeney, Fields, Rogo, Valido, Liotta, Broadway, ect. Furthermore, and more importantly, the nucleus of the team that I put together is relatively young and signed long-term with very few positions open for prospects over the course of the next couple of years.

 

"Send Jenks and Sweeney to ATL for Furcal."

 

At this point, I am unsure whether the Braves will trade him considering that he has been a big part of their turn around, and the Braves are a dangerous team in the watered down NL. Besides, the asking price would be a lot(maybe even more then Jenks and Sweeney). I am not an Uribe fan, but I can put up with him until the end of the season, than the Sox can get Furcal without giving up anything(maybe picks if they offer arbitration).

 

"Send Vizcaino, Owens, Tracey and Crede to TOR for Batista and Hillenbrand."

 

I think the Sox should stay away from Batista and Hillenbrand. While they may be after them realistically, I question how much they improve the team. Hillenbrand is alright, but only a slight improvement over Crede. Batista is overrated IMO. His numbers aren't that good, and I honestly don't think he is much of an improvement over Vizcaino.

 

"So this offseason we trade off Contreas and Dye to Milwaukee For Lyle Overbay and a minor leaguer"

 

As someone else mentioned, Milwaukee would have absolutely no interest in Dye, and probably little interest in Contreras. I think the idea of getting Overbay is a decent one, but it will cost the Sox a couple good young players/prospects.

 

In regards to Soriano, I think a lot of you guys are selling this guy short. I am one of the biggest fans of plate disipline and high OBP, and Soriano's plate disipline and low OBP are hard to swallow, but that alone doesn't mean you can simple ignore the positives about this guy. This guy can flat out hit. He is pretty much a guarantee for 30+ 2B, 30+ HR, 90+ RBI, .280+ BA, and a mid .800 OPS(only a hnadful of guys in this league can guarantee you those numbers). Furthermore, he is capable of stealing 30+ bags at a high success rate. Soriano isn't a good top of the order hitter, but he is a very good middle of the order hitter, and in all honesty, I kind of like it when the middle of the order guys swing the bat and try and drive in runs(opposed to walk). Finally, if you move him to DH(and sadly say goodbye to the aging, injury-prone, declining production of Thomas) you take away his only other negative(terrible D). Say what you want, but this guy strikes fear in pitchers when he steps up to the plate, which can't be said about many of the current Sox offensive players.

 

Back to reality, I do think the Sox should look into possible aquiring Tracy from Arizona(to play 1B or 3B). I think he would be a great fit for this team, and it is likely he will be moved this offseason with the emergence of Conor Jackson at 1B(I am interning for the Sidewinders down in Tucson this summer and this guy can flat rake). I also think the Sox should look at Perez who is pitched well of late and flying under the radar. He would probably cost less in trade then Burnett, and he is more then a 3 month rental. Finally, I would love to see the Sox upgrade at SS. I had my doubts about Uribe entering this season, and unfortunately they have come true. I wouldn't mind a trade for Vizquel if the price isn't too high, although I would love to see the Sox pursue Furcal this offseason. Once again, I think he would be a perfect fit at the top of the order.

[YASNY]

.230 6 18

 

Those are Soriano's average HR's and RBI on the road. Isn't that one of the big complaints about Konerko? Yes, this guy can flat out hit ..... AT HOME. No thank you.

[AnthraxFan93]

1 - Milwaulkee is not going to trade Overbay for the sake of trading Overbay. They will NOT want Jermaine Dye, they already have Carlos Lee, Geoff Jenkins and Brady Clark in the outfield. If they don't get an offer they like with Overybay, they'll just give Fielder a couple of games a week to ease him in to the majors.

 

2 - Where do you hit Furcal in the lineup? How much money do you give to a guy over 4 to 5 seasons who has a .318 OBP for a leadoff hitter?

 

3 - How much do you give Brian Giles, and don't you think the Padres will re-sign him now considering they want to get rid of Phil Nevin?

 

4 - Washburn is a flyball pitcher. His stats at the Cell would be worse than Jose Contreras this season. He has a BAA of .283, Contreras has something like .230.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

1. They say that now, but things change...Just like Lee last year was untradeable..The Dye part of the deal.. WE need to get rid of him in order to make room for Giles who better fits this team.

 

2. Read the whole post.. He hits 9th to take the spot of the loved Uribe :rolly. Lets see if Uribe is worth about 4 mil a year then you have to figure 6-7mil for a better player.. I am sure you will disagree, becuase why pay for good players right? But its to early to see what the market price is for STARTING SS

 

3. Again this is a question that is to early to answer in regards to the money part of it. THe pads have Nady and Guzman in the wings waiting..I don't think they are looking to keep to much in regards to OF payroll.

 

4. And when I made the same defense in regards to OH, I got ripped on...No your right lets try and trade for Jarret Wright he fits in here much better :rolly

Edited July 25, 2005 by AnthraxFan93

[DBAHO]

1. They say that now, but things change...Just like Lee last year was untradeable..The Dye part of the deal.. WE need to get rid of him in order to make room for Giles who better fits this team.

 

2. Read the whole post.. He hits 9th to take the spot of the loved Uribe :rolly.  Lets see if Uribe is worth about 4 mil a year then you have to figure 6-7mil for a better player.. I am sure you will disagree, becuase why pay for good players right? But its to early to see what the market price is for STARTING SS

 

3. Again this is a question that is to early to answer in regards to the money part of it. THe pads have Nady and Guzman in the wings waiting..I don't think they are looking to keep to much in regards to OF payroll.

 

4. And when I made the same defense in regards to OH, I got ripped on...No your right lets try and trade for Jarret Wright he fits in here much better  :rolly

1 - Ok so we need to get rid of Dye, but Milwaulkee DOESN'T WANT DYE!!!

 

2 - Considering the contracts Crisitan Guzman and Orlando Cabrera got this past off-season, I'm thinking Furcal is gonna get more than that, especially with a team that really needs a leadoff hitter and has a vacancy at SS.

 

3 - Nady is going to take over at first base for Nevin. Guzman hasn't played at all this season, he's not going to jump straight into the bigs. They are wanna going to keep that team up on top in that division.

 

4 - When did I say anything about Jaret Wright? That just seems to be your excuse for anything regarding a pitcher (cough... Russ Ortiz... cough). Hernandez cost $8 million over 2 years, Washburn is going to get more than that. And why would you have him ahead of JG in our rotation when Garland is a 15 game winner? Washburn's ERA at home, 4.75.

[AnthraxFan93]

1 - Ok so we need to get rid of Dye, but Milwaulkee DOESN'T WANT DYE!!!

 

2 - Considering the contracts Crisitan Guzman and Orlando Cabrera got this past off-season, I'm thinking Furcal is gonna get more than that, especially with a team that really needs a leadoff hitter and has a vacancy at SS.

 

3 - Nady is going to take over at first base for Nevin. Guzman hasn't played at all this season, he's not going to jump straight into the bigs. They are wanna going to keep that team up on top in that division.

 

4 - When did I say anything about Jaret Wright? That just seems to be your excuse for anything regarding a pitcher (cough... Russ Ortiz... cough). Hernandez cost $8 million over 2 years, Washburn is going to get more than that. And why would you have him ahead of JG in our rotation when Garland is a 15 game winner? Washburn's ERA at home, 4.75.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

1. So we agree.. Dye would need to go..Actaully with Thomas's health in question he would fill in nicely as a DH/4thOF

 

2. Again you have to pay money for a starting SS.. We didn't now we are getting burned for it. He will hit 9th great range canon for an arm, and can hit as well..Will have less pressure hitting in the 9th slot as well.

 

3. Nady stays in the OF, They move RK to first who is a better 1b than LF.. which is not saying much. That leaves the quesiton of Guzman. Its kind of hard for him to hop into the field this year.. I didn't know until now that he was injuried..This might make things a bit of diffcult. But, I have total faith that KW will get it done.

 

4. I should say the same about you when I mention the offseason I get references to OC.. And again since it seems your a tad bit slow in this issue.. Looking at it now who would you rather have Wright or Ortiz?

 

4B. I am not 100% sold on garland yet, I also love the L R L R matchups in a rotation. Also it helps that he is 0-1 with a 1.80 ERA this season VS OAK..We need all the help we can get when it comes to them!

[whitesox61382]

.230 6 18

 

Those are Soriano's average HR's and RBI on the road. Isn't that one of the big complaints about Konerko?  Yes, this guy can flat out hit ..... AT HOME.  No thank you.

 

By making that statement, you are suggesting that Soriano's production is a product of his home park correct? If that is the case, than let me point out the flaws in that logic.

 

1) Sample size - You are basing this statement on a half a season worth of stats. That simple isn't large enough to make an accurate assessment.

 

2) 2004 splits - While there was a difference in his home and away splits(.886 OPS vs .735 OPS), it was no where close to the drastic difference of 2005. Furthermore, it is worth noting that he actually hit more HR on the road(16) than at home(12).

 

3) Expect some difference - I don't care who the hitter is, if you play in a great hitters park, than you are going to see some difference in their home and away splits, however, that alone doesn't necessarily mean that he is a product of the park that he plays in.

 

4) Yankee production - If Soriano is a product of Arlington, than how do you explain his BETTER production as a Yankee playing in a neutral hitters park?

 

5) Similarities - From a statistical perspective, Arlington and USCF are very similar in regards to park factor, so it is likely that you won't see much of a difference in his overall production.

 

You are making an extremely weak and flawed arguement if his away splits are the primary reason for not wanting Soriano. While they shouldn't be ignored, to suggest that his production is solely because of Arlington simple holds little water.

[whitesox61382]

1. They say that now, but things change...Just like Lee last year was untradeable..The Dye part of the deal.. WE need to get rid of him in order to make room for Giles who better fits this team.

 

2. Read the whole post.. He hits 9th to take the spot of the loved Uribe :rolly.  Lets see if Uribe is worth about 4 mil a year then you have to figure 6-7mil for a better player.. I am sure you will disagree, becuase why pay for good players right? But its to early to see what the market price is for STARTING SS

 

3. Again this is a question that is to early to answer in regards to the money part of it. THe pads have Nady and Guzman in the wings waiting..I don't think they are looking to keep to much in regards to OF payroll.

 

4. And when I made the same defense in regards to OH, I got ripped on...No your right lets try and trade for Jarret Wright he fits in here much better  :rolly

 

1) Personally, I have no problem with Dye. He gives you sold production for his price in salary. The point that DBAHO is trying to make(and you have yet to address) is the fact that Milwaukee will have no interest in Dye, although like I said in a previous post, I do think Overbay would be a nice addition.

 

2) I am a big Furcal fan as well, and would love to see the Sox make a run at him. If he continues to have a big second half and puts up numbers similar to his career averages, than you will probably see him get 8-10M/yr on the open market. Personally, I think Furcal would look better in the #2 slot. His numbers are down a little this year, but he still has a solid career OBP of .344, he strikesout less then Iguchi, and he has better speed. Podsednik and Furcal would be a nightmare for opposing pitchers when they get on base.

 

3) I am a HUGE Giles fan, however he is going to be in high demand on the open market and will get 10+M/yr. You can expect the usual big name players taking a run at him, and I am sure that San Diego will be willing to shell out some big money to keep him. I can see the Sox going after one big FA, but not two or three.

 

4) I am not a big fan of Washburn. He can be inconsistant and the fact that he is an extreme flyball pitcher worries me. I see him as a slightly better version of Milton(especially if he were to move to USCF). Besides, with the solid season that he is having, some team will probably overpay for him and give him Milton-like money(7-8M/yr). I think Perez would be a better option if you want to add another lefty to the rotation.

[DBAHO]

1. So we agree.. Dye would need to go..Actaully with Thomas's health in question he would fill in nicely as a DH/4thOF

 

2. Again you have to pay money for a starting SS.. We didn't now we are getting burned for it. He will hit 9th great range canon for an arm, and can hit as well..Will have less pressure hitting in the 9th slot as well.

 

3.  Nady stays in the OF, They move RK to first who is a better 1b than LF.. which is not saying much. That leaves the quesiton of Guzman. Its kind of hard for him to hop into the field this year.. I didn't know until now that he was injuried..This might make things a bit of diffcult. But, I have total faith that KW will get it done.

 

4. I should say the same about you when I mention the offseason I get references to OC.. And again since it seems your a tad bit slow in this issue.. Looking at it now who would you rather have Wright or Ortiz?

 

4B.  I am not 100% sold on garland yet, I also love the L R L R matchups in a rotation. Also it helps that he is 0-1 with a 1.80 ERA this season VS OAK..We need all the help we can get when it comes to them!

1 - But we still can't trade for Lyle Overbay in a package that includes Jermaine Dye. You could trade Dye and Contreras in a mega deal revolving around Chad Tracy however.........

 

2 - All I'm saying is that Furcal would probably rather go to a team where he can be a leadoff hitter, and some team will offer him more money than us.

 

3 - Giles is a fan favorite in San Diego, and even if the Padres can't resign him, I think some other team who need a corner OF will offer him a better deal before us, considering we have 3 capable OF's already and 1 in waiting in Brian Anderson. Giles' bat speed is slowing down as well BTW.

 

4 - Let's see here, the Yanks can void Wright's contract since he's been on the DL for a set amount of time IIRC. So in essence, I'd take Wright, because you wouldn't want to be stuck with Russ Ortiz for around $25 million for the next 3 seasons. And do you think Anaheim wishes they never signed Cabrera now when they have Maicer Izturis hitting over .300?

 

4B - I don't take much stock into how Washburn's done against 1 team this season. The fact is the Angels won't be dealing him this off-season, they need good SP in the worst way, and they will be keeping him before we have any chance of getting him.

[YASNY]

By making that statement, you are suggesting that Soriano's production is a product of his home park correct? If that is the case, than let me point out the flaws in that logic.

 

1) Sample size - You are basing this statement on a half a season worth of stats. That simple isn't large enough to make an accurate assessment.

 

2) 2004 splits - While there was a difference in his home and away splits(.886 OPS vs .735 OPS), it was no where close to the drastic difference of 2005. Furthermore, it is worth noting that he actually hit more HR on the road(16) than at home(12).

 

3) Expect some difference - I don't care who the hitter is, if you play in a great hitters park, than you are going to see some difference in their home and away splits, however, that alone doesn't necessarily mean that he is a product of the park that he plays in.

 

4) Yankee production - If Soriano is a product of Arlington, than how do you explain his BETTER production as a Yankee playing in a neutral hitters park?

 

5) Similarities - From a statistical perspective, Arlington and USCF are very similar in regards to park factor, so it is likely that you won't see much of a difference in his overall production.

 

You are making an extremely weak and flawed arguement if his away splits are the primary reason for not wanting Soriano. While they shouldn't be ignored, to suggest that his production is solely because of Arlington simple holds little water.

 

Good points. But there are other reasons I don't want Soriano. He's a hack at 2B and he's another RH hitting free swinger. This club is moving away from bad glove RH thumpers, not collecting them.

[AnthraxFan93]

1 - But we still can't trade for Lyle Overbay in a package that includes Jermaine Dye. You could trade Dye and Contreras in a mega deal revolving around Chad Tracy however.........

 

2 - All I'm saying is that Furcal would probably rather go to a team where he can be a leadoff hitter, and some team will offer him more money than us.

 

3 - Giles is a fan favorite in San Diego, and even if the Padres can't resign him, I think some other team who need a corner OF will offer him a better deal before us, considering we have 3 capable OF's already and 1 in waiting in Brian Anderson. Giles' bat speed is slowing down as well BTW.

 

4 - Let's see here, the Yanks can void Wright's contract since he's been on the DL for a set amount of time IIRC. So in essence, I'd take Wright, because you wouldn't want to be stuck with Russ Ortiz for around $25 million for the next 3 seasons. And do you think Anaheim wishes they never signed Cabrera now when they have Maicer Izturis hitting over .300?

 

4B - I don't take much stock into how Washburn's done against 1 team this season. The fact is the Angels won't be dealing him this off-season, they need good SP in the worst way, and they will be keeping him before we have any chance of getting him.

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1. I know, I said theat Keep Dye as the DH, and it looks like Jose is as good as gone from this team.. WE are going to have to look to otherway to grab Overbay.. Tracy is not an option..maybe as a back-up but not everyday..He losing playing time to Tony fa-king Clark.. And this is your "replacement" .. no thanks

 

2. Of course some team will offer him more money, don't you know our BS stick when it comes to FA? Offer them less than everyone else than b****a nd complain to the media how we tried to give them the best deal..When in reality, the deal was flat out below market value. Thought you knew this already kid?

 

3. Maggs was a fan favorite here.. See how well we resigned him? What about Robin Ventura, was he not a fan favorite? What about him.. Wonder why we didn't resign him? This has nothing to do with teams resigning a player. About his bat speed I am not say sign this guy to a 7-year deal.. another 2 year deal. We have 3 OF.. Thats great who DH? We already know who I want.. And lastly if hitting .299/10/54 in a pitchers park is signs of slowing down.. PLease explain why Frank should still be a member of the white sox becuase his number are far worse.

 

4. Here we go again, Why is it everytime we try and have a vaild converstion where you learn something you have to bring up OC? I know we all wanted a Great starting SS such as OC.. and got the short end of the stick.. But let it go..KW knows he f***ed up hense why trying to trade for Omar or another SS.. :banghead .. And still you have managed to sidetrack the question.. as of right now who would you rahter have Oritz or Wright in the rotation as of July 26, 2005? Not at the end of the year right now

 

4b. The angels have stated that they are not resigning him, they have Santana and Escobar. to round out the top of the Rotation with Colon. Washburn will not resign with them

[DBAHO]

1. I know, I said theat Keep Dye as the DH, and it looks like Jose is as good as gone from this team.. WE are going to have to look to otherway to grab Overbay.. Tracy is not an option..maybe as a back-up but not everyday..He losing playing time to Tony fa-king Clark.. And this is your "replacement" .. no thanks

 

2. Of course some team will offer him more money, don't you know our BS stick when it comes to FA? Offer them less than everyone else than b****a nd complain to the media how we tried to give them the best deal..When in reality, the deal was flat out below market value.  Thought you knew this already kid?

 

3. Maggs was a fan favorite here.. See how well we resigned him? What about Robin Ventura, was he not a fan favorite? What about him.. Wonder why we didn't resign him? This has nothing to do with teams resigning a player. About his bat speed I am not say sign this guy to a 7-year deal.. another 2 year deal. We have 3 OF.. Thats great who DH? We already know who I want.. And lastly if hitting .299/10/54 in a pitchers park is signs of slowing down.. PLease explain why Frank should still be a member of the white sox becuase his number are far worse.

 

4. Here we go again, Why is it everytime we try and have a vaild converstion where you learn something you have to bring up OC?  I know we all wanted a Great starting SS such as OC.. and got the short end of the stick.. But let it go..KW knows he f***ed up hense why trying to trade for Omar or another SS.. :banghead .. And still you have managed to sidetrack the question.. as of right now who would you rahter have Oritz or Wright in the rotation as of July 26, 2005? Not at the end of the year right now

 

4b. The angels have stated that they are not resigning him, they have Santana and Escobar. to round out the top of the Rotation with Colon. Washburn will not resign with them

1 - You don't think Chad Tracy is good enough to be a starting 1B in this league? BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Have a look at my sig and his stats for this season. Tony Clark is hitting over .325 and has 15 home runs Don't you think Arizona would play him then? Tracy almost plays every - day anyway as he can play 1B, 3B and any OF spot. He's better than your Aubrey Huff solution.

 

2 - Ok so when we're not offering insane contracts to the likes of Maggilo Ordonez on 1 knee, we should all be so disappointed. KW spread the money around with the players in the off-season and the benefits have been shown. Alex Gonzalez is more likely anyway because he's an Ozzie favorite.

 

3 - Frank has been back in the majors for what a month? You didn't automatically expect for him to be hitting over .300 with 30 HR's this season did you? Have a look at his stats when he comes back from a major injury. Giles is probably looking for more security than a 2 year deal, and he'll probably get it. Atlanta's a good bet to get him considering his brother plays there. And of course if we re-sign Maggs, say goodbye Pierzynski, goodbye Iguchi, goodbye Hermason, goodbye Dye.

 

4a - Show me why OC is a great starting SS, when all Angels fans wish they never signed him (and the he's a good 2nd half hitter for $8M a season dosn't count). Of course if we re-signed Maggs, signed Cabrera and Derek Lowe, imagine what our payroll and team make - up would be like. At his best Jaret Wright is better than Russ Ortiz. Have a look at their contracts. There's more than how a guy is doing right now compared to someone else. And let's see here, Ortiz with the 5.88 ERA, oh yeah he's good.

 

4b - Can you show me where the Angels have said they won't be re-signing him. Paul Byrd's deal runs out at the end of the season. Right now you have Colon, Washburn, Lackey, Byrd and Santana. It's more likely Byrd leaves as a FA before Washburn because Jarrod is their only LHP in the rotation.

[Chisoxfn]

1. They say that now, but things change...Just like Lee last year was untradeable..The Dye part of the deal.. WE need to get rid of him in order to make room for Giles who better fits this team.

 

2. Read the whole post.. He hits 9th to take the spot of the loved Uribe :rolly.  Lets see if Uribe is worth about 4 mil a year then you have to figure 6-7mil for a better player.. I am sure you will disagree, becuase why pay for good players right? But its to early to see what the market price is for STARTING SS

 

3. Again this is a question that is to early to answer in regards to the money part of it. THe pads have Nady and Guzman in the wings waiting..I don't think they are looking to keep to much in regards to OF payroll.

 

4. And when I made the same defense in regards to OH, I got ripped on...No your right lets try and trade for Jarret Wright he fits in here much better  :rolly

Furcal will get no less than 9 million a year. You can take that to the bank. Phillies just gave Rollins a long term deal worth basically 10 mill a year and Furcal (aside from his semi slump for the 1st half of the season) is a superior player to Rollins.

[Chisoxfn]

Good points.  But there are other reasons I don't want Soriano.  He's a hack at 2B and he's another RH hitting free swinger.  This club is moving away from bad glove RH thumpers, not collecting them.

My theory is...8 million on Thomas or similar money on Soriano. I'll take Soriano any day of the week. However, If the Sox go deep (and fail or win) I could definately see them think long and hard about making Furcal a big money offer. He'd come in and add another "Ozzie" like player.

 

Ozzie has also played with him so assuming the two got along and Ozzie is a fan, I think the move would make a lot of sense. Of course the move would likely mean Uribe is shipped out in a deal. Is Furcal 4-6 million bucks better than Uribe (I'll let the Sox be the judge of that).

 

Consider this though, between Timo and Ben Davis the Sox will save about 2.5 million, so that alone could essentially cut up some of that difference.

[AnthraxFan93]

1 - You don't think Chad Tracy is good enough to be a starting 1B in this league? BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Have a look at my sig and his stats for this season. Tony Clark is hitting over .325 and has 15 home runs Don't you think Arizona would play him then? Tracy almost plays every - day anyway as he can play 1B, 3B and any OF spot. He's better than your Aubrey Huff solution.

 

2 - Ok so when we're not offering insane contracts to the likes of Maggilo Ordonez on 1 knee, we should all be so disappointed. KW spread the money around with the players in the off-season and the benefits have been shown. Alex Gonzalez is more likely anyway because he's an Ozzie favorite.

 

3 - Frank has been back in the majors for what a month? You didn't automatically expect for him to be hitting over .300 with 30 HR's this season did you? Have a look at his stats when he comes back from a major injury. Giles is probably looking for more security than a 2 year deal, and he'll probably get it. Atlanta's a good bet to get him considering his brother plays there. And of course if we re-sign Maggs, say goodbye Pierzynski, goodbye Iguchi, goodbye Hermason, goodbye Dye.

 

4a - Show me why OC is a great starting SS, when all Angels fans wish they never signed him (and the he's a good 2nd half hitter for $8M a season dosn't count). Of course if we re-signed Maggs, signed Cabrera and Derek Lowe, imagine what our payroll and team make - up would be like. At his best Jaret Wright is better than Russ Ortiz. Have a look at their contracts. There's more than how a guy is doing right now compared to someone else. And let's see here, Ortiz with the 5.88 ERA, oh yeah he's good.

 

4b - Can you show me where the Angels have said they won't be re-signing him. Paul Byrd's deal runs out at the end of the season. Right now you have Colon, Washburn, Lackey, Byrd and Santana. It's more likely Byrd leaves as a FA before Washburn because Jarrod is their only LHP in the rotation.

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1. So tracey is having a half decent year.. Lets annoint him starting 1b? The guy lost his 3b job.. They gave him the 1st base job and manages to lsoe that.. And still you want him as our 1b.. :rolly .. hell he probally lose it out to Timo by May. But your right I see your sign someone who hits .004 better avg is such the answer.. Funny you forgot to mention their OBP.. wonder why that is .. Mabye because Overbay actually is better in every single offense Catagory, that matters?

 

2. So know we get another SS, who can't hit.. Brillant what else you working on? So a Carreer .245 hitter should get our starting SS job.. And how much cash are we throwing into the fire to get him?

 

3. :headshake So its okay to make excuses for another fan favotire in why he can't play at this level anymore? Yet you still think its okay to carry his salray when it can be used to further help this team with a better player at a postion. (and for the record I am a huge Thomas backer.. But not at the cost of the Team)

 

4. OC has been injuried by minor injuries hurting his performance..Hard to complete your request.

 

In this post where did I say we should resign Maggs? And again You only give half of every story..

 

There's more than how a guy is doing right now compared to someone else.

But, in the overbay arguement.. it does? Funny how that works huh?

 

As far as washburn, I read on other sites about this..Another thing to thjink about is that if Angels would have wanted him back you think they would have signed him already

[AnthraxFan93]

The Score has reported that they are also scouting Overbay and Huff right now... looking for bats to fill in for the Big Hurt.

[rangercal]

My Dream scenerio would be

 

 

Pods Lf

gooch 2b

Huff 3b

Konerko 1b

Carl/Frank DH

Dye RF

Rowand CF

AJ C

Vizquel ss

 

 

Buehrle

Garland

Garcia

Burnett

El Duque

 

Jenks

Cotts

Politte

Hermanson

Eyre

Guardado

 

 

Subtractions:

Vizcaino

Count

Marte

Uribe

Crede

Mccarthy

Sweeney

Tracey

Shingo

Borchard

Diaz

 

Additions:

Huff

Burnett

Vizquel

Eyre

Guardado

 

 

This is just a dream. We would probably need a couple more spects out of the subtraction column. Like I said this is just a dream.

Edited July 26, 2005 by rangercal

[SoxFan1]

My Dream scenerio would be

Pods Lf

gooch 2b

Huff 3b

Konerko 1b

Carl/Frank DH

Dye RF

Rowand CF

AJ C

Vizquel ss

Buehrle

Garland

Garcia

Burnett

El Duque

 

Jenks

Cotts

Politte

Hermanson

Eyre

Guardado

 

Subtractions:           

Vizcaino

Count

Marte

Uribe

Crede

Mccarthy

Sweeney

Tracey

Shingo

Borchard

Diaz

 

Additions:

Huff

Burnett

Vizquel

Eyre

Guardado

This is just a dream.  We would probably need a couple more spects out of the subtraction column.  Like I said this is just a dream.

Hahaha. No way in hell Vizquel bats anywhere but 2nd. We have seen what Gooch can do when allowed to swing freely. My scenario

 

Pods - LF

Vizquel - SS

Overbay - DH

Dye - RF

PK - 1B

Rowand - CF

Pierzynski - C

Crede - 3B

Gooch - 2B

 

MB

Freddy

Jon

Burnett

Duque

 

Contra

Cotts

Jizzcan

Eyre

Jenks

Politte

Hermy