I like it, gives us options and when another deal is made everyone will go back to blowing KW for his forsight once again.

We are talking about a pitcher we didn't want, the last right hander out of our pen, and a good prospect with an ETA of 2007 who plays a position that we have 3 other legitimate prospects, 2 knocking on the majors door, that we traded.  Hernandez was worthless to us, Vizcaino is easily replacable.  Young is the only one who MIGHT hurt, and that won't be for a while.  Yes this deal is a winner for the Sox.

 

CAn't be summed up much better than this.

 

One thing to consider is this would probably be a widely loved deal if we didn't have such a stocked rotation. Vazquez has struggled a bit of late, but he has phenomenal stuff and can be absolutely devastating at times. I think he's pretty similar to Freddy, only with less middle ground (either really good or pretty bad). It's conceivable that he could be our best starter next year if he gets his s*** together. We gave up very little talent in the deal, the best piece of it being a AA centerfielder. That's pretty good considering the price of pitching nowadays.

 

However, we do have a lot of starters. As I've said, with this deal someone has to be on their way out of town. I can't imagine that we are going to keep B-Mac in the bullpen.

Edited December 14, 200520 yr by ZoomSlowik

Yes, I think a guy who at worst is a solid #5 starter and at best could be huge is at least equal to El Duque (5.11, 4329857438 years old and injured a lot), Vizcaino (a decent middle reliever but nothing special) and an OF prospect (when we have Anderson, Owens and Sweeney in the wings).  This is true to me, as long as we get that cash (because Vazquez is not a $12.5M pitcher).

 

 

Looks like they are actually going to pay $8 Million!

 

The Diamondbacks, who also have agreed to pay $8 million of the remaining $23 million in Vazquez's contract over the next two years

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...s-vazquez_x.htm

Looks like they are actually going to pay $8 Million!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...s-vazquez_x.htm

 

This deal is looking better by the minute.

This deal is looking better by the minute.

 

I'm still not the fondest of it, but I don't hate it as much anymore. I'll wait and see what else KW does.

I'm still not the fondest of it, but I don't hate it as much anymore.  I'll wait and see what else KW does.

 

I'm going on the assumption that there will be more.

White Sox gave up nothing Arizona got fleeced big time.......KW GREAT TRADE

I dont no if this is a good trade or not, but I have learned one thing...NEVER DOUBT KENNY

I like it Vazquez has top of the rotation stuff and just has not seemed comfortable after leaving Montreal. With Ozzie as the manager Javier could find his place and be the dominant starter that he has the talent for.

 

Ive wanted Vazquez for a while, and the only person Im sad to see go is Young.

 

But if our rotation is:

 

1. MB

2. Freddy

3. Garland

4. Contreras

5. Vazquez

 

I can live with a prospect being traded. For any of those pitchers or McCarthy we can probably get a very similar prospect to Young, or even better. But dumping Duke and replacing him with Vazquez is brilliance.

 

SB

an OF prospect (when we have Anderson, Owens and Sweeney in the wings).

 

I agree and disagree. I know they have REAL high expectations of Anderson, but what if? What if he doesnt pan out? Ownes is fast, but has no power. Sweeney has no power or speed. young has both power (i was suprise to read he had 20+ HRs last year) and speed.

 

Now, if they turn around and trade Garland or Vazquez for Crawford, then you have a deal.

If we sign a two relief pitchers, we'll win it all in 2006. This was a great, great move. Barring injury, this leaves nothing to chance in our rotation. Our questions going into 2006 were "can El Duque stay healthy" and "is BMac ready to be a fulltime MLB starter". Now those aren't even questions.

I can live with a prospect being traded. For any of those pitchers or McCarthy we can probably get a very similar prospect to Young, or even better. But dumping Duke and replacing him with Vazquez is brilliance.

 

Ok, that last point about Vazquez vs DukeisVERYvalid. you may have canged my mind. Plus, KWison record that his goal is to win the WORLD SERIES every year. Nextyear be damned. So, Young may help us in the future, but Vazquez canhelp us this year.

It gives the Sox the best rotation in baseball and the best since the Braves days.

Is this the guy that was with the Yankees? If not, has anyone seen him pitch in the cold?

Is this the guy that was with the Yankees?  If not, has anyone seen him pitch in the cold?

 

Same guy. I think he dominated us when we played him last season.

Same guy. I think he dominated us when we played him last season.

yes he did. I think Coop can do wonders with Vazquez.

Looks like they are actually going to pay $8 Million!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...s-vazquez_x.htm

 

 

Nothing but upside out of this. I want to change my vote to GREAT MOVE!

Nice Kenny quote:

 

"I don't have any desire to break up the rotation that helped us to a championship," Williams said. "That said, both Jose and Jon have been and will be given a chance to stay beyond the 2006 season.

 

"We will try not to be put in the position, as we were with Konerko, where we're at the mercy of the market. We'll try to stay ahead of the curve."

 

 

I like Kenny's thinking here...stay proactive and avoid being forced into a corner.

I don't like this trade, especially if KW is planning on trading Garland.

So is our rotation now the Killer J's?

 

Javier

Jon

Jose

C'mon haters...gotta love on some Coop.

 

He basically made Billy Beane blow Loaiza this year, cuz he certainly ain't worth $7 mil per.

 

He turned Contreras around (with El Duque's help).

 

Finally got through to Jon.

 

Helped a 38th round draft pick become a #1 (maybe #1a) pitcher.

 

He can certainly help Vazquez. And with Ozzie being in his ear for a full year...hell, this is a great trade.

 

And I wouldn't trade any of the pitchers just yet, what with MB and FG pitchign in the WBC. Maybe at midseason, if they haven't resigned.

I don't like this trade, especially if KW is planning on trading Garland.

no he is not however just look at the rotation for a second.

SP1: Mark Buehrle

SP2: Jose Contreras

SP3: Jon Garland

SP4: Freddy Garcia

SP5: Javier Vazquez

 

Everyone of those pitchers can win 15 or more games.

no he is not however just look at the rotation for a second.

SP1: Mark Buehrle

SP2: Jose Contreras

SP3: Jon Garland

SP4: Freddy Garcia

SP5: Javier Vazquez

 

Everyone of those pitchers can win 15 or more games.

 

and so can pitcher #6, he just hasn't done it yet like the other 5.

and so can pitcher #6, he just hasn't done it yet like the other 5.

Exactly. I think they are taking the Buehrle approach with McCarthy. McCarthy will be in the Bullpen this year and next year or the year after that he goes into the Rotation.