QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 07:08 PM)

A few ponits.

Do you guys really believe that if the gov. wanted to end illegal immigration it couldn't have done it long ago?  It could end it today.  As yourselves why it won't do that.  Don't hate the player, hate the game.

By the way, plenty of people of ALL nationalities have come into this country legally and illegally and a lot of them brought a lot of s*** people with them too.  It's easy to focus on the majority, but what appplies to one applies to all.

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Isn't that what we are all saying? I don't see anyone that has not said or has not agreed with this.

I never said one had it easier than the next. I said all of them have it hard. No one should claim racism because it is hard on them. It is the way it is when you come over here with absolutely nothing trying to start a new life. That was my point all along. Someone was trying to claim racism because they are treated poorly and have it hard. Every immigrant group has and has been.

 

Agreed, but with a caveat. You've twice brought up the 'coffin ships' to make your point, and in my opinion that one point doesn't carry much weight when you take into account that the Mexicans crossing the border take some extreme risks as well. That's all I'm saying.

And they do that because it is illegal correct? Weren't the Irish coming over legally?

 

Not all. Once quotas were met, it was illegal to enter. I doubt that stopped them.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 07:12 PM)

Agreed, but with a caveat.  You've twice brought up the 'coffin ships' to make your point, and in my opinion that one point doesn't carry much weight when you take into account that the Mexicans crossing the border take some extreme risks as well.  That's all I'm saying.

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I did so in order to prove that they have had it hard as well, not to make it look like they had it any harder or worse off than another. Sorry if that is how I made it out to look.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 07:18 PM)

Not all.  Once quotas were met, it was illegal to enter.  I doubt that stopped them.

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You doubt, or you know for a fact? Let me know and show me some information and the numbers. Thank you.

I did so in order to prove that they have had it hard as well, not to make it look like they had it any harder or worse off than another. Sorry if that is how I made it out to look.

 

I think we are on the same page now.

You doubt, or you know for a fact? Let me know and show me some information and the numbers. Thank you.

 

So your claim is that each and every one came here legally?

 

There are illegal Irish immigrants here today...

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 07:20 PM)

So your claim is that each and every one came here legally?

 

There are illegal Irish immigrants here today...

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Where did I claim that. You claimed the opposite so show me some proof. I am not making the accusations here, you are.

Where did I claim that. You claimed the opposite so show me some proof. I am not making the accusations here, you are.

 

Ok, lemme go run over and grab the Ellis Island documents from the early 1900s right now...

So your claim is that each and every one came here legally?

 

There are illegal Irish immigrants here today...

 

People have been discussing things here on broad scope and you focus on a technicality.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 07:23 PM)

Ok, lemme go run over and grab the Ellis Island documents from the early 1900s right now...

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However you have to back up your case accuser. I am not the one making claims. You are. Proceed.

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the board's whacky. I can't post right. And dang it I had a good point. But nevermind.

 

the board's whacky.  I can't post right.  And dang it I had a good point.  But nevermind.

 

were you made into mush by the puppy

Although the thought of an intellectual discussion about illegal entry by Irish immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th centuries would indeed be interesting to see, I have a hard time thinking we'll see one here.

 

So I'm locking the thread - because well, I'm sick of seeing Sleepy and Irish fight.