July 10, 200619 yr AL Most Valuable Player: David Ortiz AL Cy Young Award Winner: Francisco Liriano/Jon Papelbon AL Rookie of the Year: Francisco Liriano/Jon Papelbon AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland AL Comeback Player of the Year: Jim Thome AL Biggest Surprise: Detroit Tigers AL Biggest Disappointment: Cleveland Indians AL Game of the Year: Yesterday's Red Sox/White Sox game NL Most Valuable Player: Albert Pujols NL Cy Young Award Winner: Tom Glavine NL Rookie of the Year: Dan Uggla NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar Garciaparra NL Biggest Surprise: Cincinatti Reds NL Biggest Disappointment: Atlanta Braves NL Game of the Year: White Sox @ Cubs, Pierzynski 3-run game winning home run. White Sox specific categories: Best Hitter: Jermaine Dye Best Pitcher: Bobby Jenks Most Valuable Player: Jim Thome Biggest Surprise: A.J. Pierzynski Biggest Disappointment: Juan Uribe/Cliff Politte/Scott Podsednik/Brian Anderson Game of the Year: White Sox @ Cubs, Pierzynski 3-run game winning home run. Favorite Moment: White Sox @ Cubs, Pierzynski 3-run game winning home run. Edited July 10, 200619 yr by redandwhite
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 04:18 PM) AL Most Valuable Player: David Ortiz AL Cy Young Award Winner: Francisco Liriano/Jon Papelbon AL Rookie of the Year: Francisco Liriano/Jon Papelbon AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland AL Comeback Player of the Year: Jim Thome AL Biggest Surprise: Detroit Tigers AL Biggest Disappointment: Cleveland Indians AL Game of the Year: Yesterday's Red Sox/White Sox game NL Most Valuable Player: Albert Pujols NL Cy Young Award Winner: Tom Glavine NL Rookie of the Year: Dan Uggla NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar Garciaparra NL Biggest Surprise: Cincinatti Reds NL Biggest Disappointment: Atlanta Braves NL Game of the Year: White Sox @ Cubs, Pierzynski 3-run game winning home run. White Sox specific categories: Best Hitter: Jermaine Dye Best Pitcher: Bobby Jenks Most Valuable Player: Jim Thome Biggest Surprise: A.J. Pierzynski Biggest Disappointment: Juan Uribe/Cliff Politte/Scott Podsednik/Brian Anderson Game of the Year: White Sox @ Cubs, Pierzynski 3-run game winning home run. Favorite Moment: White Sox @ Cubs, Pierzynski 3-run game winning home run. Not so sure about Big Sloppy getting MVP, but your awards are pretty fair overall. The Cincinatti/Cleveland game where the Reds came back big is notable for overall game of the year. Same goes for the White Sox/Astros on Sunday night, although the result was disappointing despite Iguchi's heroics.
July 10, 200619 yr My changes in bold AL Most Valuable Player: Travis Hafner AL Cy Young Award Winner: Francisco Liriano AL Rookie of the Year: Francisco Liriano AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland AL Comeback Player of the Year: Jim Thome AL Biggest Surprise: Detroit Tigers AL Biggest Disappointment: LAA Angels AL Game of the Year: Yesterday's Red Sox/White Sox game NL Most Valuable Player: Albert Pujols NL Cy Young Award Winner: Tom Glavine NL Rookie of the Year: Dan Uggla NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar Garciaparra NL Biggest Surprise: Cincinatti Reds NL Biggest Disappointment: Atlanta Braves NL Game of the Year: St. Lou/ChiSox 1-0 win on 1 hit. White Sox specific categories: Best Hitter: Jermaine Dye Best Pitcher: Bobby Jenks Most Valuable Player: Jim Thome Biggest Surprise: Bobby Jenks Biggest Disappointment: Vazquez/Politte Game of the Year: White Sox/Astros Crede Grand Slam 6-5 in 10th. Favorite Moment: Iguchi Grand Slam to send into extras the next night. Edited July 10, 200619 yr by Damen
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(Damen @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 04:57 PM) My changes in bold AL Most Valuable Player: Travis Hafner AL Cy Young Award Winner: Francisco Liriano AL Rookie of the Year: Francisco Liriano AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland AL Comeback Player of the Year: Jim Thome AL Biggest Surprise: Detroit Tigers AL Biggest Disappointment: LAA Angels AL Game of the Year: Yesterday's Red Sox/White Sox game NL Most Valuable Player: Albert Pujols NL Cy Young Award Winner: Tom Glavine NL Rookie of the Year: Dan Uggla NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar Garciaparra NL Biggest Surprise: Cincinatti Reds NL Biggest Disappointment: Atlanta Braves NL Game of the Year: St. Lou/ChiSox 1-0 win on 1 hit. White Sox specific categories: Best Hitter: Jermaine Dye Best Pitcher: Bobby Jenks Most Valuable Player: Jim Thome Biggest Surprise: Bobby Jenks Biggest Disappointment: Vazquez/Politte Game of the Year: White Sox/Astros Crede Grand Slam 6-5 in 10th. Favorite Moment: Iguchi Grand Slam to send into extras the next night. No offense, but there is no way project donkey gets the mvp when Ortiz's numbers are just as good and the Indians just suck and in the eyes of most are a huge disappointment. I'll give my awards out later for all you that are curious.
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 09:18 PM) AL Cy Young Award Winner: Francisco Liriano/Jon Papelbon AL Rookie of the Year: Francisco Liriano/Jon Papelbon Mr. Brantley, is that you? There ain't no f***ing Papelbon in this discussion, chief.
July 10, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mr. Brantley, is that you? There ain't no f***ing Papelbon in this discussion, chief. If the season ended today, He'd win one of the two, if not both. He's been the best reliever in baseball, period.
July 10, 200619 yr Hafner for MVP and Cleveland as most dissapointing team--but not because of Hafter--he's been the best hitter in the AL for a year now. Pujols single handedly made the Cardinals a .600 winning team for awile. If he gets hot again, he can still take it.
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:01 PM) No offense, but there is no way project donkey gets the mvp when Ortiz's numbers are just as good and the Indians just suck and in the eyes of most are a huge disappointment. I'll give my awards out later for all you that are curious. His numbers are better. He probably wouldn't win because of the Indians struggles, but that is in no way connected to Hafner. He is the best hitter in the game right now, and has been since 2004. Edited July 10, 200619 yr by Damen
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 06:14 PM) If the season ended today, He'd win one of the two, if not both. He's been the best reliever in baseball, period. I agree Papelbon for the now retired "Rolaids Relief Man".
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:14 PM) If the season ended today, He'd win one of the two, if not both. He's been the best reliever in baseball, period. BJ Ryan is right there with him and has 2 less blown saves, why don't you include him in this? Johan Santana, Francisco Liriano and Roy Halladay are the 3 names right now that I'd put up there for midseason Cy Young.
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(Damen @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 06:21 PM) His numbers are better. He probably wouldn't win because of the Indians struggles, but that is in no way connected to Hafner. He is the best hitter in the game right now, and has been since 2004. I think Albert Pujols just puked a little in his mouth. And strained his oblique.
July 10, 200619 yr Yesterday was the beginning of back to Earth for Papelboner. He's not winning the Cy Young or Rookie of the Year. Cy Young right now is Halladay and Liriano and Boner are neck and neck for ROY.
July 10, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> BJ Ryan is right there with him and has 2 less blown saves, why don't you include him in this? Johan Santana, Francisco Liriano and Roy Halladay are the 3 names right now that I'd put up there for midseason Cy Young. I included Liriano in there with Papelbon on purpose.
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:22 PM) I think Albert Pujols just puked a little in his mouth. And strained his oblique. Sorry...I meant the AL. I forget the NL is still in the major leagues sometimes.
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:22 PM) I think Albert Pujols just puked a little in his mouth. And strained his oblique. If you just go strickly based on HR/RBI and not even take into effect AVG/OBP/OPS which Pujols kicks Hafner's ass at. You get 116 HR and 316 RBI for Pujols, Hafner with 86 and 291. It's seriously not even close.
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:14 PM) If the season ended today, He'd win one of the two, if not both. He's been the best reliever in baseball, period. Here is what i have a problem with....Everyone seems to want to say papelbon for cy young, and why? ESPN hyped up papelbon so much that the popular belief is that hes been the best reliever in the league, when the fact of the matter is that BJ Ryan has been every bit as good...Ryan has 1 more ER, but more Ks, and 1 fewer blown save, lower WHIP. If you ask me Ryan has the better #s....but why does everyone think papelbon has had the best year....espns bosox bias
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(Damen @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:28 PM) Sorry...I meant the AL. I forget the NL is still in the major leagues sometimes. Manny Ramirez Kicks the s*** out of Travis Hafner. QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:28 PM) Here is what i have a problem with....Everyone seems to want to say papelbon for cy young, and why? ESPN hyped up papelbon so much that the popular belief is that hes been the best reliever in the league, when the fact of the matter is that BJ Ryan has been every bit as good...Ryan has 1 more ER, but more Ks, and 1 fewer blown save, lower WHIP. If you ask me Ryan has the better #s....but why does everyone think papelbon has had the best year....espns bosox bias Papelbon is 26/29 in save oppertunities Ryan is 24/25 with his one blown save comming against the White Sox.
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 06:29 PM) Manny Ramirez Kicks the s*** out of Travis Hafner. It's close, but Hafner has put up better OPS+ numbers the past two seasons, which is as good as comparison (park adjusted) as I care to use right now. Maybe their VORP numbers show something else, but I know they both have been healthy and mashing with plenty of PA's, so I'd guess they are probably similiar in VORP too.
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:31 PM) Manny Ramirez Kicks the s*** out of Travis Hafner. Papelbon is 26/29 in save oppertunities Ryan is 24/25 with his one blown save comming against the White Sox. yeah, for some reason espn says papelbon has only blown 2, but youre right its 3
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:32 PM) It's close, but Hafner has put up better OPS+ numbers the past two seasons, which is as good as comparison (park adjusted) as I care to use right now. Maybe their VORP numbers show something else, but I know they both have been healthy and mashing with plenty of PA's, so I'd guess they are probably similiar in VORP too. Their pure offensive production numbers (HR/RBI/etc) really aren't even close.
July 10, 200619 yr As great of a season as Hafner is having, he really has no shot at the MVP. He'd have to have far better numbers than the competition (Ortiz, Thome, possibly Ramirez, Dye) to win it on that bad of a team. I know A-Rod won when he was on Texas, but he had far and away the best numbers that season. The only way Hafner has a shot is if somehow Cleveland rallies in the second half and they get into the Wild Card race.
July 10, 200619 yr The only way Hafner has a shot is if somehow Cleveland rallies in the second half and they get into the Wild Card race. Which ain't happening because they suck. Edited July 10, 200619 yr by Rowand44
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 06:36 PM) Their pure offensive production numbers (HR/RBI/etc) really aren't even close. I think Fenway helps Manny out quite a bit.
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:32 PM) It's close, but Hafner has put up better OPS+ numbers the past two seasons, which is as good as comparison (park adjusted) as I care to use right now. Maybe their VORP numbers show something else, but I know they both have been healthy and mashing with plenty of PA's, so I'd guess they are probably similiar in VORP too. Hafner is running away in VORP this year. He leads baseball with a 55.8 VORP, with Pujols in a distant second at 46.4. Ramirez is in ninth at 38.4.
July 10, 200619 yr QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 05:41 PM) I think Fenway helps Manny out quite a bit. Well, if for the sake of this argument you keep things to strickly HR/RBI production which is what I was talking about right there. Manny has more HRs and RBIs on the road than at home, was nearly equal last year and did have more HR/RBI at Home in '04. But yeah, if you're looking at BA/OPS and such the numbers are higher at home but for whatever reason, so far this year Hafner has been much more productive at home than on the road.
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