June 24, 200322 yr I might trade my Lumina in for an Impala... I got an Impala for my wife. Great car but I do miss her sometimes . . .
June 24, 200322 yr What would you ather do? Castillo for Jimenez and Rauch or Castillo for Jimenez and Almonte Jimenez and Almonte because Rauch has more trade value and you could package him with someone or keep him as a starter or convert him to a reliever.
June 24, 200322 yr The big difference? Castillo makes $3.25 mil this year, Durhan was making over $6 mil last year. Castillo is making $4.85 mil+ this yr, not that much of a difference.
June 24, 200322 yr Castillo is making $4.85 mil+ this yr, not that much of a difference. I got the salary #'s off of baseball refernce, I wonder why the descrepancy?
June 24, 200322 yr I got the salary #'s off of baseball refernce, I wonder why the descrepancy? Possibly because that is his 2002 salary?
June 25, 200322 yr Author I dont really follow hockey but I just dont see how it gets any worse than Brock for Broglio. That is always my answer when someone asks what the worst trade ever was. The second leading SB king for some guy who did...wait, what the hell DID he do? And could someone explain. Who got ripped off in the Esposito trade and how did Hull lose all those goals? Im curious...
June 25, 200322 yr Roman: I have to go by memory, and it ain't easy. But Espo came up with the Hawks after Hull had already established himself as the stud of the century. In Espo's rookie year they put him on the line with Hull half way thru the season, and Espo picked up about 35 or so garbage goals in front of the net and he helped Bobby to a really big year. So they trade him to Boston, where he goes on to a hall of fame career. If he had stayed in Chi with Bobby they would have both been in their primes for YEARS together. Bobby probably would have gotten 75 goals a year for YEARS, and Espo would have had his usual 40 or so--probably a lot more. He would have brought out the best in Bobby. Instead, Bobby's center was Chico Maki, who was about as good a hockey player as Paul Konerko. 8 goal Chico, I always called him. I figure the trade cost Hull about 30 goals a year for over 10 years. Not only did we lose Espo, but we also gave up Fred Stansfield and xxxx Hodge, two tremendous hockey players. They formed a nucleus with Bobby Orr for a decade or more. All we got was Pit Martin, whose only claim to fame was that he once challenged Gordie Howe to a fight and had the living s*** kicked out of him. Actually, Martin was alright, centering the old Scooter Line for years, but he wasn't close to any of those guys. Orr, Stansfield, Espo, Hodge, and Bucyk formed the best power play I have ever seen. The Brock trade is second. Sorry.
June 25, 200322 yr What? Sosa for Bell isn't #1 Take away the green and the smiley, and that is the Cubs fan answer. And then we respond with how the Cubs have won jack s*** with Sosa, and then we have them remember Matt Karchner? I once asked a Cub fan how Matt Karchner was doing, telling him Jon Garland was doing fine, and he asked me who Matt Karchner was.
June 25, 200322 yr How come none of you are jumping on my beltran bandwagon? And Jim ... I followed hockey in the old days also with Bobby Hull, Mikita, Dennis Hull, Pappin, Tony O, Gerry Desjardins, etc., but after leaving chicago for many years I can name no blackhawks. I was wondering if you still follow it or care anymore since the grand ol days of Hulls?
June 25, 200322 yr How come none of you are jumping on my beltran bandwagon? And Jim ... I followed hockey in the old days also with Bobby Hull, Mikita, Dennis Hull, Pappin, Tony O, Gerry Desjardins, etc., but after leaving chicago for many years I can name no blackhawks. I was wondering if you still follow it or care anymore since the grand ol days of Hulls? No way the Royals deal him now, they are currently tied for first place. Even if he is a free agent at the end of the year they still get compensation in the draft. CWSOX45
June 25, 200322 yr Greg: I don't follow the Hawks at all. Nor the Bears or Bulls. Just the Sox (and Cubs by default). I never lost my passion for the Sox. It's a sickness.
June 25, 200322 yr How come none of you are jumping on my beltran bandwagon? And Jim ... I followed hockey in the old days also with Bobby Hull, Mikita, Dennis Hull, Pappin, Tony O, Gerry Desjardins, etc., but after leaving chicago for many years I can name no blackhawks. I was wondering if you still follow it or care anymore since the grand ol days of Hulls? No way the Royals deal him now, they are currently tied for first place. Even if he is a free agent at the end of the year they still get compensation in the draft. CWSOX45 The royals have to deal Beltran before July 31st. It is an important part of their rebuilding process.
June 25, 200322 yr Author Roman: I have to go by memory, and it ain't easy. But Espo came up with the Hawks after Hull had already established himself as the stud of the century. In Espo's rookie year they put him on the line with Hull half way thru the season, and Espo picked up about 35 or so garbage goals in front of the net and he helped Bobby to a really big year. So they trade him to Boston, where he goes on to a hall of fame career. If he had stayed in Chi with Bobby they would have both been in their primes for YEARS together. Bobby probably would have gotten 75 goals a year for YEARS, and Espo would have had his usual 40 or so--probably a lot more. He would have brought out the best in Bobby. Instead, Bobby's center was Chico Maki, who was about as good a hockey player as Paul Konerko. 8 goal Chico, I always called him. I figure the trade cost Hull about 30 goals a year for over 10 years. Not only did we lose Espo, but we also gave up Fred Stansfield and xxxx Hodge, two tremendous hockey players. They formed a nucleus with Bobby Orr for a decade or more. All we got was Pit Martin, whose only claim to fame was that he once challenged Gordie Howe to a fight and had the living s*** kicked out of him. Actually, Martin was alright, centering the old Scooter Line for years, but he wasn't close to any of those guys. Orr, Stansfield, Espo, Hodge, and Bucyk formed the best power play I have ever seen. The Brock trade is second. Sorry. Oh, maybe the Brock trade does come in second. I dont think Brock missed any SBs because of the trade...
June 25, 200322 yr How come none of you are jumping on my beltran bandwagon? And Jim ... I followed hockey in the old days also with Bobby Hull, Mikita, Dennis Hull, Pappin, Tony O, Gerry Desjardins, etc., but after leaving chicago for many years I can name no blackhawks. I was wondering if you still follow it or care anymore since the grand ol days of Hulls? No way the Royals deal him now, they are currently tied for first place. Even if he is a free agent at the end of the year they still get compensation in the draft. CWSOX45 The royals have to deal Beltran before July 31st. It is an important part of their rebuilding process. They have been rebuilding, yet at the same time are in contention right now. I know there is no way in hell that they will re-sign him, but if they were smart wouldn't they trade him for some pitching to help their bullpen? I'm sure they have plenty of prospects in the minors, and since they are contending for the division why not trade Beltran for relievers that could help them go further in the playoffs? I don't think it would be wise just to deal Beltran for prospects, I think they should try to get a couple of proven relievers in the deal. CWSOX45
June 25, 200322 yr Author Broglio was a pitcher, I just realized. And he wasnt as horrible as I first thought. He did win 21 games with st Louis once. He was somewhat of an ace for St Louis, but he just sucked with the Scrubs. And considering who they lost for him, this is definitely one of the worst trades ever...
June 25, 200322 yr I don't think it would be wise just to deal Beltran for prospects, I think they should try to get a couple of proven relievers in the deal. CWSOX45 They want to trade him for three Major League ready players, whether prospects or 1st or 2nd year Major Leaguers. They want guys they can plug into the starting lineup next year. I'll be interesting to see what they end up getting for him.
June 25, 200322 yr Broglio was a pitcher, I just realized. And he wasnt as horrible as I first thought. He did win 21 games with st Louis once. He was somewhat of an ace for St Louis, but he just sucked with the Scrubs. And considering who they lost for him, this is definitely one of the worst trades ever... His arm was gone. Apparently the Cubs didn't know when they traded for him.
June 26, 200322 yr His arm was gone. Apparently the Cubs didn't know when they traded for him. *cough* Billy Koch *cough*
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