So then you don't really care about issues then.

So then you don't really care about issues then.

 

Character is also importmant. Or lack of it, as the case may be.

Character is also importmant. Or lack of it, as the case may be.

 

Character is important, sure. But at the same time, if you claim to support what Obama supports. If those issues matter to you, voting against those issues is frankly stupid.

 

I know that we shouldn't live in a two party state. But the truth is we do, and if you want to build an independent political party, the way to do it is from the ground up, not the top down. A vote for a third party nuisance candidate for President is a wasted vote. If you don't want to vote for Clinton, just stay home then. But then don't b**** when the issues that are important to you aren't even brought up because the person you didn't like but agrees with you never got the chance to advocate for you.

Character is important, sure. But at the same time, if you claim to support what Obama supports. If those issues matter to you, voting against those issues is frankly stupid.

 

I know that we shouldn't live in a two party state. But the truth is we do, and if you want to build an independent political party, the way to do it is from the ground up, not the top down. A vote for a third party nuisance candidate for President is a wasted vote. If you don't want to vote for Clinton, just stay home then. But then don't b**** when the issues that are important to you aren't even brought up because the person you didn't like but agrees with you never got the chance to advocate for you.

 

What's wrong with a third party vote for the explicit message of voting "NO!". If may not affect the outcome, but if more people would do so, it might wake up both parties. I've taken the course on quite a few occasions in the past. It's my way of saying I'm not happy with the choices offered. I don't regret a single vote that I cast.

What's wrong with a third party vote for the explicit message of voting "NO!". If may not affect the outcome, but if more people would do so, it might wake up both parties. I've taken the course on quite a few occasions in the past. It's my way of saying I'm not happy with the choices offered. I don't regret a single vote that I cast.

 

I didn't live in a state where my vote would have made an effect when I voted for Nader in 2000. Indiana was going for Bush regardless of my vote. Had I lived in Michigan, where it was close until three days before the election, I wouldn't have dared. The truth is, another four years of the same party in power along the executive branch means the calcification of the Supreme Court as conservative activist for a generation. That's not something I'm willing to chance happening by protesting whether or not I think my candidate is a nice guy. I think if most people who voted for Nader anticipated the differences a Gore presidency could have offered them over the last eight years, they'd gladly switch their vote retroactively.

 

If you really want a third party to make a change, start at the bottom. Start with local races, state races. Don't start with an election that gives you no shot to do anything other than possibly derail your own interest.

 

However, YAS, given you are generally diametrically opposed to my political point of view, I encourage you to vote for the third party nominee of your choice .

I didn't live in a state where my vote would have made an effect when I voted for Nader in 2000. Indiana was going for Bush regardless of my vote. Had I lived in Michigan, where it was close until three days before the election, I wouldn't have dared. The truth is, another four years of the same party in power along the executive branch means the calcification of the Supreme Court as conservative activist for a generation. That's not something I'm willing to chance happening by protesting whether or not I think my candidate is a nice guy. I think if most people who voted for Nader anticipated the differences a Gore presidency could have offered them over the last eight years, they'd gladly switch their vote retroactively.

 

If you really want a third party to make a change, start at the bottom. Start with local races, state races. Don't start with an election that gives you no shot to do anything other than possibly derail your own interest.

 

However, YAS, given you are generally diametrically opposed to my political point of view, I encourage you to vote for the third party nominee of your choice .

 

Gore lost on his own. He couldn't carry his own state, and more D's voted for Bush in Florida than for Nader.

If only one out of seven votes that Nader got would have otherwise gone to Gore in Florida, we'd have had a different president.

 

If one out of three voters that voted for Nader in New Hampshire voted for Gore, we'd have had a different president.

 

I don't think you can reasonably argue that George Bush represented a better set of policies and positions towards issues that the Green Party would generally care about.

If only one out of seven votes that Nader got would have otherwise gone to Gore in Florida, we'd have had a different president.

 

If one out of three voters that voted for Nader in New Hampshire voted for Gore, we'd have had a different president.

 

I don't think you can reasonably argue that George Bush represented a better set of policies and positions towards issues that the Green Party would generally care about.

 

Only 1% of D voters voted for Nader. 6% voted for Bush. Case closed.

 

Gore did not EARN the votes he needed. The D's and R's don't get every vote by default.

I didn't live in a state where my vote would have made an effect when I voted for Nader in 2000. Indiana was going for Bush regardless of my vote. Had I lived in Michigan, where it was close until three days before the election, I wouldn't have dared. The truth is, another four years of the same party in power along the executive branch means the calcification of the Supreme Court as conservative activist for a generation. That's not something I'm willing to chance happening by protesting whether or not I think my candidate is a nice guy. I think if most people who voted for Nader anticipated the differences a Gore presidency could have offered them over the last eight years, they'd gladly switch their vote retroactively.

 

If you really want a third party to make a change, start at the bottom. Start with local races, state races. Don't start with an election that gives you no shot to do anything other than possibly derail your own interest.

 

However, YAS, given you are generally diametrically opposed to my political point of view, I encourage you to vote for the third party nominee of your choice .

 

Not this time around my friend. At least, probably not. And yes, I'd like to see another conservative or two on the SCOTUS.

I just want to say that I love the Machiavellian aspect of politics.

You know I think my favorite part of the Prince is when Machiavelli advises that you can take someone's son or daughter for cannon fodder and the family will forgive and support you. But if you f*** with their money, look out.