Folks, I'm going to concede and say he should be here next year. I don't think he should start everyday, but I am starting to like Manos. Yep, it took me 3 seasons but when he's playing at short only he seems to do pretty good. I don't think he's the future and do see him as an ultimate utility man, but he does a lot of things well.

 

Of course I only like him when he's playing decent d, which he has done the past month and when he isn't striking out cause I hate strikeout hitters.

 

Other then that he's a good leader, has great power, and is great on the basepaths.

 

Yep folks, I'll admit, I don't mind him that much anymore, especially since Harris has done jack crap.

Originally posted by Chisoxfn

Folks, I'm going to concede and say he should be here next year.  I don't think he should start everyday, but I am starting to like Manos.  Yep, it took me 3 seasons but when he's playing at short only he seems to do pretty good.  I don't think he's the future and do see him as an ultimate utility man, but he does a lot of things well.

 

Of course I only like him when he's playing decent d, which he has done the past month and when he isn't striking out cause I hate strikeout hitters.

 

Other then that he's a good leader, has great power, and is great on the basepaths.

 

Yep folks, I'll admit, I don't mind him that much anymore, especially since Harris has done jack crap.

 

This is what I've been saying all season Chisoxfn and I just talked to RPS about it on Saturday. Does Valentin make errors? Yes. But I think what he brings to the table in terms of attitude, leadership, and drive make up for his deficiencies defensively. We were able to win the Division despite all the errors with him at SS in 2000. Harris has shown that he is not ready to hit major league pitching. Jimenez has looked good but who knows what he will look like at the beginning of next year. Jimenez hasn't been in the ML's long enough to guarantee a good start. Lose Manos, and your stuck, right now, with Jimenez and Harris (maybe Hummel if one struggles) in 2003. Manos will, IMHO, be a better player next year when 1.) he knows he's the starting SS, and 2.) he knows he will be playing everyday.

Well holy s***.

I liked how he fed Jimenez yesterday on a couple of those double plays too. Plus I liked how he almost always finds a way to get an extra base if its possible.

lol jason we are turning you to the manos side??? i knew you would come around sooner or later....one thing about manos and i think cubkilla touched on it was his ability to be the look up to guy for these youngsters.... yeah he makes errors but his bat makes up for those...its his attitude and leadership qualities which pumps up these young guys to get out there and perform to the best of their abilities each nite..... gotta love that manos....and his bat has been rather hot lately....

As long as he isn't whiffing all day long and drawing walks while staying patient I will like Manos. The big reason for that is because when he isn't forcing himself and flying open he's a damn good hitter.

he sure has been hot the past couple of weeks huh.......too bad he couldnt do this eariler......

That's what happens when you have security and play every day. His avareage wasn't great in 2000, but he got the hits when needed so it seemed as he was hitting .400

Originally posted by hotsoxchick1

lol jason we are turning you to the manos side??? i knew you would come around sooner or later....one thing about manos and i think cubkilla touched on it was his ability to be the look up to guy for these youngsters.... yeah he makes errors but his bat makes up for those...its his attitude and leadership qualities which pumps up these young guys to get out there and perform to the best of their abilities each nite..... gotta love that manos....and his bat has been rather hot lately....

 

i coouldn't have said it better......... excellant.

 

i am glad fn is starting to come to the good side.

Valentin is the heart and soul of this team. He gives his all every day.

 

Sure, he'll make a bucketful of errors, but his clubhouse presence and will to win surpass his shortcomings on D.

 

Keep the guy here, he loves the Sox.

and unlike other teammates in his past. .you will never hear manos say im not moving over for anyone....if anything he will be more than willing to go wherever you put him......

i really had high hopes for harris too.

harris still has time to imporve.. but he better do something quickly because we have miles down below tearing up the minors.... i think hes my next guy to pick for following next season....provided olivo makes the roster for the sox.....

I've always stood by Jose V while ripping the dog, Royce.

Jose V played short the year we won the division by 20 games. Since they moved him we've sucked.

He hasn't complained much.

I think we need some vets to go with the youngsters and he is one of em.

I like Harris's speed, defense, base stealing and bunting capabilities, but he strikes out a lot(Needs to shorten his swing) and isn't a line drive hitter. He's starting to look like Durham 2, but not as good.

he started off looking like that.. but....i dont know, hes cooled off a bit...is he playing winter ball has anyone heard? i know crede and borchard and olivo are....anyone else anyones heard of playing this winter????

Originally posted by hotsoxchick1

he started off looking like that.. but....i dont know, hes cooled off a bit...is he playing winter ball has anyone heard? i know crede and borchard and olivo are....anyone else anyones heard of playing this winter????

 

I believe that Harris, Valentin, and Crede...I'm not sure about Olivo...are all playing on the same winter ball team. I have not heard anything about Jiminez playing or anything but it would be nice to see him play.

I thought Crede decided not to play winter ball. Harris should definately be playing it and I feel the same way about Olivo, but I don't know if I want him doing that much catching. No reason to hurt his knees.

Originally posted by hotsoxchick1

and unlike other teammates in his past. .you will never hear manos say im not moving over for anyone....if anything he will be more than willing to go wherever you put him......

 

Of COURSE he will - he used to play in MILWAUKEE!!

"Yoo con poot mee anyware esept Meelwowkee!!!!":D

Of COURSE he will - he used to play in MILWAUKEE!!

"Yoo con poot mee anyware esept Meelwowkee!!!!"

 

yikes only if we can turn back the hands of time and get to that happy place where we first gave them navarro for him and eldred....lol....seems we had better days to come back then......lol

Originally posted by OfficerKarkovice

Originally posted by hotsoxchick1

he started off looking like that.. but....i dont know, hes cooled off a bit...is he playing winter ball has anyone heard? i know crede and borchard and olivo are....anyone else anyones heard of playing this winter????

 

I believe that Harris, Valentin, and Crede...I'm not sure about Olivo...are all playing on the same winter ball team. I have not heard anything about Jiminez playing or anything but it would be nice to see him play.

 

finally someone who may agree with me on olivio. whew.

hey ldf i like you .. dont be dissing on my other boy miguel now.....

What is with the jibberish writing? Or is that just me?

What is with the jibberish writing? Or is that just me?

Can we please stop bumping 2 year old threads.

 

How very, Ross.

Seriously, old threads need to stop being recalled for no reason