http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb

 

The DBacks have an $8.5 million dollar option for next year or a $2 million buyout.

 

Would guess they would probably keep him and risk that if they're not in contention that they could trade him next year, kind of like the M's did with Bedard this year instead of letting him go and not getting anything back in return (especially when M's fans have to be reminded of how that Bedard trade cost them future contention in the AL West for many years).

Edited August 3, 200916 yr by caulfield12

Brandon Webb has season ending shoulder surgery

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb

 

The DBacks have an $8.5 million dollar option for next year or a $2 million buyout.

 

Would guess they would probably keep him and risk that if they're not in contention that they could trade him next year, kind of like the M's did with Bedard this year instead of letting him go and not getting anything back in return (especially when M's fans have to be reminded of how that Bedard trade cost them future contention in the AL West for many years).

 

 

Yes to Jenks.

 

No to Webb.

 

Why to this being tied into the same thread? Jenks gets talked about enough in every other thread.

I MEANT FOR THE 2009/10 OFFSEASON...heading into the following April.

 

Looks like he MIGHT be out until next May/June, possibly.

I wouldnt touch him with a 10 foot pole coming off this surgery. Shoulder surgeries are baaaaad, pitchers rarely seem to rebound to their original form

Edited August 3, 200916 yr by KyYlE23

Yes to Jenks.

 

No to Webb.

 

Why to this being tied into the same thread? Jenks gets talked about enough in every other thread.

 

 

We probably have to open up an additional bit of breathing room in our payroll...not sure.

 

Jenks is going to be around $8 million next year. The other options are trading Konerko (unlikely) and/or saving money bringing back Dye and/or Thome ($6-8 million but not $11-13 million as they're currently paid)....don't think we will ever get from out under the Linebrink contract now.

 

OTOH, if you had THAT historically amazing rotation (Peavy/Buehrle, Webb, Floyd and Danks), it would be a crying shame to risk so many blown saves turning the game over to Thornton or Pena at the end of games.

 

Someone like Byrd, Doug Davis...Garland, etc., is more likely for the back of the rotation unless they think Hudson and/or Torres are ready.

Duchscherer has been mentioned a lot around here. Who else is rehabbing or struggling with health issues? Smoltz? Glavine? Mulder?

Edited August 3, 200916 yr by caulfield12

I’d absolutely do both these moves assuming that Webb’s shoulder checks out, and we’re assured a decent haul for Jenks. These are some pretty big ifs.

I'm going to start a "Should We Trade A. J.?" thread, and then not offer an idea for a replacement.

 

Miguel Olivo for one year and Flowers' mentor....lol.

 

Not sure that's the greatest idea in the world, but KW and Ozzie are very familiar with Miguel, fwiw.

 

Jason Kendall would make a good mentor, too, IMO.

Edited August 4, 200916 yr by caulfield12

I'm going to start a "Should We Trade A. J.?" thread, and then not offer an idea for a replacement.

Tyler Flowers.

Miguel Olivo for one year and Flowers' mentor....lol.

 

I'd actually love to have Olivo's arm back there until Flowers is ready.

 

Too bad that A. J. is getting paid more coin than today's market dictates.

 

Edited August 4, 200916 yr by WCSox

Presenting the only thing better than AJ throwing....

 

Victor Martinez in the middle of the White Sox offense, sharing C/1B/DH with Flowers, Paulie and JD.

 

LH bat problem solved. Victor isn't worth as much at 1B (see Mauer discussion), but if we could trade Jenks and Konerko (sell high again)....wouldn't we be better off with Victor Martinez, Flowers and Dye and using the leftover money for CF/leadoff/LF/RF?

 

You know Ozzie and KW are very familiar with Victor Martinez. Interesting thought.

Don't think the Red Sox will bring him back...well, depends on what happens with Varitek, I suppose. But don't think Francona wants Martinez as their 60-75% of the PT starting catcher.

Edited August 4, 200916 yr by caulfield12

We probably have to open up an additional bit of breathing room in our payroll...not sure.

 

Jenks is going to be around $8 million next year. The other options are trading Konerko (unlikely) and/or saving money bringing back Dye and/or Thome ($6-8 million but not $11-13 million as they're currently paid)....don't think we will ever get from out under the Linebrink contract now.

 

OTOH, if you had THAT historically amazing rotation (Peavy/Buehrle, Webb, Floyd and Danks), it would be a crying shame to risk so many blown saves turning the game over to Thornton or Pena at the end of games.

 

Someone like Byrd, Doug Davis...Garland, etc., is more likely for the back of the rotation unless they think Hudson and/or Torres are ready.

Duchscherer has been mentioned a lot around here. Who else is rehabbing or struggling with health issues? Smoltz? Glavine? Mulder?

 

Spending real money on a 5th starter is a waste. They don't help you in the postseason.

 

Oh, I'd love Victor Martinez. But wouldn't Konerko have veto rights on a trade? And would Kenny even want to deal The Captain?

 

But NOT having a fifth starter can keep you out of post-season, surely.

 

See Rogers, Kenny (2003) and look at the results of our fifth starters that season. It was truly abysmal/atrocious/egregiously bad.

Don't think the Red Sox will bring him back...well, depends on what happens with Varitek, I suppose.

 

Varitek's getting up there in age. I don't know about Victor specifically, but Varitek definitely appears to be on his way out.

 

Oh, I'd love Victor Martinez. But wouldn't Konerko have veto rights on a trade? And would Kenny even want to deal The Captain?

 

 

His new deal calls for him to receive $12 million annually. Chicago agreed to a limited no-trade clause that states he can't be dealt to six specified teams without his permission.

I've been saying to trade Jenks for two years, now that his value is dropping, people are on board.

 

So annoying.

AJP is one of the least appreciated players on this board. As far as Jenks, unless he's lights out the rest of the season and the Sox have no other options, I looked for him to be shopped. I don't think KW wants to pay him his next arb number. As far as Webb goes, absolutely look to sign him if the surgery is a success and he can start throwing fairly soon, but I doubt it. Look at all the guys with shoulder problems. They are always out longer than first thought and usually don't have much. Garcia, Prior, Mulder, didn't Smoltz have shoulder issues? He's batting practice.

His new deal calls for him to receive $12 million annually. Chicago agreed to a limited no-trade clause that states he can't be dealt to six specified teams without his permission.

I'm pretty sure Boston and NY are 2 of those teams.

But NOT having a fifth starter can keep you out of post-season, surely.

 

I'd rather pay Jenks (or another accomplished closer) for 2010 than pay Webb to be a 5th starter. Having a great #5 doesn't mean much if your 'pen consistently blows the lead later in the game.

 

Assuming that Peavy's healthy later this summer, our rotation is in pretty freaking good shape. But our bullpen's going to have some serious holes this winter.

Edited August 4, 200916 yr by WCSox

I would like to see Webb on the Sox but only if we could sign him for a reasonable price.

 

 

as for Jenks, only if we could get a lot in return

I'd rather pay Jenks (or another accomplished closer) for 2010 than pay Webb to be a 5th starter.

 

Assuming that Peavy's healthy later this summer, our rotation is in pretty freaking good shape. But our bullpen's going to have some serious holes this winter.

 

Mike Gonzalez (32)

Kevin Gregg (32)

Trevor Hoffman (42)

Fernando Rodney (33)

Rafael Soriano (30)

Jose Valverde (30)

Billy Wagner (38) - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout

 

Pretty sure Franklin will be back with STL, and wouldn't want him in the AL anyway.

Mike Gonzalez (32)

Kevin Gregg (32)

Trevor Hoffman (42)

Fernando Rodney (33)

Rafael Soriano (30)

Jose Valverde (30)

Billy Wagner (38) - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout

 

Pretty sure Franklin will be back with STL, and wouldn't want him in the AL anyway.

 

Wagner's done, Gregg sucks, and Rodney's injury-prone. Not sure if I'd want Hoffman at his advanced age. Are Soriano and Valverde seriously going to be available and cheap?

 

Gregg's outing last night provd why no White Sox fan should want him, or a fan of any other team