Was kind of surprised to see this... Crain's did some in-depth analysis of numerous factors and interviewed a lot of people, and found that despite the recent increases in taxes, Illinois still has a better business climate than any of its neighbors.

 

An adequate response to all of the terrible "53%" pics I've seen:

Link

 

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alternatively, an excellent synopsis of every single "53%" pic I've seen:

 

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An adequate response to all of the terrible "53%" pics I've seen:

 

These are all terrible for various reasons, as everyone lives under different circumstances -- including this one.

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I guess I don't get why the "53%" pictures are "terrible."

I guess I don't get why the "53%" pictures are "terrible."

 

I thought the pics I posted explained it pretty well, and then there's the whole "47% of Americans don't pay taxes!" is really a dishonest and bad argument to begin with. None of the "53%" images I have seen actually make a case for supporting the current system, it's just some story about how they have to bust their ass just to get by. The open letter on DailyKos a few days ago did a pretty good job of responding to one of them as well.

These are all terrible for various reasons, as everyone lives under different circumstances -- including this one.

 

I think you've missed his point.

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Sorry, those posts may have been made 5 beers in.

I thought the pics I posted explained it pretty well, and then there's the whole "47% of Americans don't pay taxes!" is really a dishonest and bad argument to begin with. None of the "53%" images I have seen actually make a case for supporting the current system, it's just some story about how they have to bust their ass just to get by. The open letter on DailyKos a few days ago did a pretty good job of responding to one of them as well.

 

Then the whole Occupy movement is beyond dishonest.

I think you've missed his point.

 

No, actually I didn't miss the point at all. They're just bad points on both ends.

Then the whole Occupy movement is beyond dishonest.

How's that?

No, actually I didn't miss the point at all. They're just bad points on both ends.

 

How's that?

How's that?

 

Because if you want to go down the line and include all of the things that corporations do pay, it is significant. Instead they are focused on one tax that doesn't tell the whole story, just like the 53% argument. If it is wrong there, it is wrong for Occupy.

Because if you want to go down the line and include all of the things that corporations do pay, it is significant. Instead they are focused on one tax that doesn't tell the whole story, just like the 53% argument. If it is wrong there, it is wrong for Occupy.

But that's a big shift from the message I've gotten. Here's the difference...no honest person looks at the 47% of people who only pay state, local, and payroll taxes and thinks "These people are taking way too much of a slice of the pie" or "These people have taken total control of our political system".

 

"Raising corporate taxes" might help the situation or might not. If it helped the real issue, I think it would get support, but that's not the only thing on the line here.The real issue here is this insular, government-protected Wall Street community where they always win at the casino and everyone else loses.

But that's a big shift from the message I've gotten. Here's the difference...no honest person looks at the 47% of people who only pay state, local, and payroll taxes and thinks "These people are taking way too much of a slice of the pie" or "These people have taken total control of our political system".

 

"Raising corporate taxes" might help the situation or might not. If it helped the real issue, I think it would get support, but that's not the only thing on the line here.The real issue here is this insular, government-protected Wall Street community where they always win at the casino and everyone else loses.

 

Its a big shift in the message from the left too. They sure don't talk about anything else except corporate taxes when it comes to the fortune 500. If it is dishonest on one side, it is dishonest on the other. At least keep consistent.

Its a big shift in the message from the left too. They sure don't talk about anything else except corporate taxes when it comes to the fortune 500. If it is dishonest on one side, it is dishonest on the other. At least keep consistent.

Really, we don't talk about anything other than corporate taxes? I hear a ton more complaining about the personal tax rate than the corporate rate.

 

Hell, I'm pretty sure the President himself has repeatedly proposed cutting the nominal corporate tax rate while leveling off the playing field. Repeatedly. As repeatedly as i'm repeating the word repeated.

Really, we don't talk about anything other than corporate taxes? I hear a ton more complaining about the personal tax rate than the corporate rate.

 

Hell, I'm pretty sure the President himself has repeatedly proposed cutting the nominal corporate tax rate while leveling off the playing field. Repeatedly. As repeatedly as i'm repeating the word repeated.

 

How the heck would you talk about the personal tax rate when referring to big business?

How the heck would you talk about the personal tax rate when referring to big business?

The phrase "I am the 99%" doesn't seem to refer very much to corporate interests, it refers to personal inequality.

How's that?

 

Because different people from different walks of life will have had a completely different experience to report, be it that they were poor and made it big, or they were multi-millionairs that lost everything, or they struggled and failed and/or struggled and made it big and are now giving back.

 

My point is, just because something worked or didn't work for 1 guy/gal that holds up some smarmy sign designed to go with or against the grain of the movement at hand, doesn't mean it will/won't or hasn't worked for another individual. Also note, *YOU IN SPECIFIC* will only agree with the ones that support your side in this, and that goes for everyone here, myself included. That doesn't mean it's right just because you agree with it. Note, however, it also doesn't mean it's wrong just because it agrees with you.

 

You guys love to say/use the word "anecdotal", well...each and every one of those signs these self-obsessed morons taking pictures of themselves holding for a few minutes for "Internets fame" are all anecdotal.

 

Scratch that. My point is, these signs are dumb. All of them.

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The phrase "I am the 99%" doesn't seem to refer very much to corporate interests, it refers to personal inequality.

 

that's funny, because the movement is called occupywallstreet.

that's funny, because the movement is called occupywallstreet.

The average NYC Financial Sector worker salary in 2010 was $361,330.

 

(Pointing out that this is an "Average" and many people make less than that number makes the point stronger, btw.)

The average NYC Financial Sector worker salary in 2010 was $361,330.

 

(Pointing out that this is an "Average" and many people make less than that number makes the point stronger, btw.)

 

Right. That's their point. Funny, that isn't what the signs at the rally's say.

Right. That's their point. Funny, that isn't what the signs at the rally's say.

 

 

 

 

Seriously, now post the 50 others that contradict that.