Yes Yes we all know the sox are "All In" for 2011 and are going to have the teams highest payroll in history at $125M+. I think "All In" was perpetrated by the amount of money committed to 2011 before the offseason, and I believe the same is true for 2012. The team had something like $75M committed, mainly in pitching, before the 2011 offseason. Add arbitration eligible Danks, CQ, and Pena and it was something like $88M committed before addressing holes at 1B, C, RP, DH. So we all know the sox decided to go for it and add to that payroll figure for 2011. Question is, is 2011 linked to 2012 in the amount of money committed prior to that year. Most of the "All In" campaign resulted in players getting multiyear deals so there is a heavy load already on the books for 2012. My calculations show $93.5M already committed for 2012, thats without arbitration eligible Danks, CQ, Pena, and with holes in the pitching staff with Buehrle, Jackson, Thornton hitting free agency. So with that much $$ committed to a core group of players, again needing to pick up/resign a few players, and another relatively stagnant look to our division rivals, are the sox already "All In" for 2012 too?? Furthermore, do we have to be successful, team and attendance wise in 2011 to be "All In" again (payroll) in 2012, or are we all in by default with all that money on the books and the division looking weak.

Yes Yes we all know the sox are "All In" for 2011 and are going to have the teams highest payroll in history at $125M+. I think "All In" was perpetrated by the amount of money committed to 2011 before the offseason, and I believe the same is true for 2012. The team had something like $75M committed, mainly in pitching, before the 2011 offseason. Add arbitration eligible Danks, CQ, and Pena and it was something like $88M committed before addressing holes at 1B, C, RP, DH. So we all know the sox decided to go for it and add to that payroll figure for 2011. Question is, is 2011 linked to 2012 in the amount of money committed prior to that year. Most of the "All In" campaign resulted in players getting multiyear deals so there is a heavy load already on the books for 2012. My calculations show $93.5M already committed for 2012, thats without arbitration eligible Danks, CQ, Pena, and with holes in the pitching staff with Buehrle, Jackson, Thornton hitting free agency. So with that much $$ committed to a core group of players, again needing to pick up/resign a few players, and another relatively stagnant look to our division rivals, are the sox already "All In" for 2012 too?? Furthermore, do we have to be successful, team and attendance wise in 2011 to be "All In" again (payroll) in 2012, or are we all in by default with all that money on the books and the division looking weak.

 

Yes.

If this team wins 75 games this year, they will not be all-in for 2012.

 

If this team wins 95 games this year, they will certainly be all-in for 2012.

 

In-between that...depends on how the year goes.

If this team wins 75 games this year, they will not be all-in for 2012.

 

If this team wins 95 games this year, they will certainly be all-in for 2012.

 

In-between that...depends on how the year goes.

 

This, certainly.

 

Personally, I like the way the money sets up for 2012. Assuming Buehrle is retired or a Cardinal in 2012, we gain 22 mill while losing he and Edwin, replacing one of them with Sale, making peanuts. There's also a chance for significant additional significant savings if Q becomes expendable as Dayan develops. This should balance the contract/arb escalations, and allow for a FA pitcher, if none is fortchcoming in trade, but yeah, a helluva lot will depend on the performance.

This, certainly.

 

Personally, I like the way the money sets up for 2012. Assuming Buehrle is retired or a Cardinal in 2012, we gain 22 mill while losing he and Edwin, replacing one of them with Sale, making peanuts. There's also a chance for significant additional significant savings if Q becomes expendable as Dayan develops. This should balance the contract/arb escalations, and allow for a FA pitcher, if none is fortchcoming in trade, but yeah, a helluva lot will depend on the performance.

Somehow, I doubt the cardinals will have a lot of free resources next year.

I think another interesting question is that if the White Sox have success this year and reap the (financial) benefits of a deep playoff run, do they find a way to exercise that $15M option on Buehrle's contract that is set to vest only if he get (agrees) to a trade. My gut tells me with the way this organization works, if the sox and Buehrle have a both have a great year they will find a way to keep on of their own and get that option picked up.

I think another interesting question is that if the White Sox have success this year and reap the (financial) benefits of a deep playoff run, do they find a way to exercise that $15M option on Buehrle's contract that is set to vest only if he get (agrees) to a trade. My gut tells me with the way this organization works, if the sox and Buehrle have a both have a great year they will find a way to keep on of their own and get that option picked up.

Isn't it just a club option anyway? That automatically vest if he gets traded, but the sox can still can pick it up whenever they want. I don't believe they have to find a way.

 

Edit: Unless you're talking about just finding the money to do it, if so ignore this.

Edited February 10, 201115 yr by kev211

Isn't it just a club option anyway? That automatically vest if he gets traded, but the sox can still can pick it up whenever they want. I don't believe they have to find a way.

 

Edit: Unless you're talking about just finding the money to do it, if so ignore this.

 

Maybe your right. I wasnt sure if its a regular team option that vests if traded, or an option that only exists if he gets traded.

Am I the only one who anticipates Buehrle remaining a White Sox player long after 2011?

Maybe your right. I wasnt sure if its a regular team option that vests if traded, or an option that only exists if he gets traded.

Yeah, it only existed if he were traded some time before his 10/5 rights kicked in midway through last season. As of right now (baring a new deal) his contract will 100% end at the following the 2011 season, the Sox control him in no way beyond that point. In lieu of giving him a no trade clause for the '09/'10 season the Sox and Buehrle installed a number of escalators and clauses that kicked in if he were traded, a guaranteed 5th year (2012) was one of those clauses. It was never an "option" per say, just another guaranteed year of pay and since he wasn't traded and his 10/5 rights kicked in on July 15th those clauses are null and void.

Am I the only one who anticipates Buehrle remaining a White Sox player long after 2011?

If Mark wants to stay, he won't be going anywhere. I just don't know how long he'll want to.