June 9, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 06:41 AM) Carlos is literally the best and worst player for an organization to have. The best, well because his talent is immense and when he is healthy, he is one of the top 10 hitters in the game. But the worst because he is so injury prone. It's really hard to commit four years, $50 million for a guy who has played in 130 games, 99 games and 131 games in the last three years. You have to feel like if we commit big money to him, he will be constantly injured. But if we let him walk, that's what he suddenly remains healthy. Gonna be quite the conundrum, especially when we will have some big, dead money on the roster. Well it's not only that he's injury prone, but that in those years where he has been injured, he's been about 30-50% less effective. It's one thing to trade for or sign an injury prone player who is going to be super effective, no matter how often he plays; it's another thing entirely to see said player be ill effective coming off of injury. I'd never realized how similar a hitter Nelson Cruz is to Carlos Quentin, but they are. It seemed to me that Cruz was able to still produce like a crazy SOB when coming off of injury, but his .835 OPS this year suggests otherwise. On top of that, he doesn't actually 'take' pitches as well as Quentin either, so his OBP takes a hit in that regard as well. Either way, Quentin can put up MVP caliber numbers, but has struggled to. My biggest fear with him is taking a stray fastball to the jaw. I hope and pray that it doesn't occur.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 07:04 AM) Well it's not only that he's injury prone, but that in those years where he has been injured, he's been about 30-50% less effective. It's one thing to trade for or sign an injury prone player who is going to be super effective, no matter how often he plays; it's another thing entirely to see said player be ill effective coming off of injury. No he is (has been since he was playing in Stanford, thats just his competitiveness).. but thanks for clearing that up with the other sentences. Edited June 9, 201114 yr by SoxAce
June 9, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 07:07 AM) No he is (has been since he was playing in Stanford, thats just his competitiveness).. but thanks for clearing that up with the other sentences. uhh...?
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 07:49 AM) uhh...? Ah my bad. Totally misread what you said. (gimme a break Simon, I just got out of work.. )
June 9, 201114 yr Didn't Carlos start killing the ball at this time last season too? I remember him going on a huge tear before the ASB and then going back to being bad after getting hurt against the Angels. Edited June 9, 201114 yr by chw42
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 10:25 AM) Didn't Carlos start killing the ball at this time last season too? I remember him going on a huge tear before the ASB and then going back to being bad after getting hurt against the Angels. I think the difference is last season he started off slow, got really hot, then got hurt and was mediocre the rest of the season. This season(so far) he started off really hot, cooled off a little bit, and now is starting to get back to where he was at the beginning of the season. If he stays healthy this year I think we are going to have another 08 type season out of CQ
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 10:53 AM) I think the difference is last season he started off slow, got really hot, then got hurt and was mediocre the rest of the season. This season(so far) he started off really hot, cooled off a little bit, and now is starting to get back to where he was at the beginning of the season. If he stays healthy this year I think we are going to have another 08 type season out of CQ Health is always the "if" with Carlos.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 10:55 AM) Health is always the "if" with Carlos. No doubt.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 10:55 AM) Health is always the "if" with Carlos. I think that's part of it, but he's also a headcase. When Carlos is right, he's a top 10 hitter in the game. Sadly, it's very rare that he's both healthy and in a good place mentally.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) I think that's part of it, but he's also a headcase. When Carlos is right, he's a top 10 hitter in the game. Sadly, it's very rare that he's both healthy and in a good place mentally. He can be a headcase, all though it seems to happen when he is hurt and unable to hit like he is capable of doing.
June 9, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 10:25 AM) Didn't Carlos start killing the ball at this time last season too? I remember him going on a huge tear before the ASB and then going back to being bad after getting hurt against the Angels. Last year it was literally a 16 game stretch. April 1st through June 21st - .216/.307/.394/.702 June 22nd through July 11th - .367/.492/1.082/1.573 July 15th through the end - .241/.338/.419/.757 Thus far, it's been the complete opposite, where he's hit pretty much all year outside of like a 2 week stretch in May. There are going to be more streaks like that, but he's been great so far.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 01:01 PM) Last year it was literally a 16 game stretch. April 1st through June 21st - .216/.307/.394/.702 June 22nd through July 11th - .367/.492/1.082/1.573 July 15th through the end - .241/.338/.419/.757 Thus far, it's been the complete opposite, where he's hit pretty much all year outside of like a 2 week stretch in May. There are going to be more streaks like that, but he's been great so far. with your figures he won't reach hs pinnacle for another 13 days when he'll hit in the .450 range or better.
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