Well he did go on an on about a plant that closed in his hometown, blamed it on obama etc. When it closed while Bush was still president.

The plant closed in anticipation of the Manchurian candidate Obama.

Ryan also hit Obama for not passing Simpson-Bowles. But Ryan was on the Simpson-Bowles Committte & voted NO.

And here is Scott Walker who Rachel Maddow just asked if the plant closed during Bush, and he completely avoided the question hahahahaha

MSNBC is making Scott Walker their b**** right now.

Well he did go on an on about a plant that closed in his hometown, blamed it on obama etc. When it closed while Bush was still president.

 

 

Not true. But if you have the transcript of him blaming Obama feel free to post.

How about him whining about Obama not taking up the Simpson-Bowles Catfood Commission despite having voted against it himself?

And here is Scott Walker who Rachel Maddow just asked if the plant closed during Bush, and he completely avoided the question hahahahaha

 

 

Were they making trucks into 2009 at the plant? The plant was idled and finally closed in JUNE 2009.

If only Obama had more-bailed out GM with federal dollars! Oh, wait, that doesn't make sense. Ryan, the brilliant intellectual policy wonk, would never make such an incoherent criticism, right?!

If only Obama had more-bailed out GM with federal dollars! Oh, wait, that doesn't make sense. Ryan, the brilliant intellectual policy wonk, would never make such an incoherent criticism, right?!

 

 

Not following this post.

Not following this post.

 

Obama's big government bailouts are terrible + Why didn't Obama bail out that factory and help those people?!?

Ryan's hero is Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand would have favored letting all of GM shut down in bankruptcy as they were a failed company. Any sort of bailout should be seen as the moocher class stealing from the rightful owners of capital, her ubermensch Galtian titans of industry (or failed engineers, artists and philosophers, whatever). The President should bear no blame for the failing of a private enterprise and the shuttering of their factories.

 

At least, if Ryan were intellectually honest, that'd be the position he holds. Instead, he criticizes Obama for not bailing GM out enough and having the Janesville plant close as was decided in 2008.

Were they making trucks into 2009 at the plant? The plant was idled and finally closed in JUNE 2009.

 

In December 2008, they shut down SUV production and laid off 2000+ workers. They also announced that they'd shut down the Isuzu line sometime in 2009.

 

In April 2009, they laid off the 57 workers left who worked on Izusus.

 

2008 is the significant year, not 2009.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/f...kusaolp00000009

 

Republicans are all about lies... Its good to see that even Fox News is calling Ryan a liar

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/f...kusaolp00000009

 

Republicans are all about lies... Its good to see that even Fox News is calling Ryan a liar

 

Let me fix this for you.

 

All of them are all about lies.

 

It's time to wake up.

both sides!

In December 2008, they shut down SUV production and laid off 2000+ workers. They also announced that they'd shut down the Isuzu line sometime in 2009.

 

In April 2009, they laid off the 57 workers left who worked on Izusus.

 

2008 is the significant year, not 2009.

 

 

So they shut the plant in 2009.

I don't think too many people, when presented with Crimson's timeline, would find Paul Ryan's line of attack very credible.

I don't think too many people, when presented with Crimson's timeline, would find Paul Ryan's line of attack very credible.

 

 

What attack? He stated a fact. That's all.

He made a dumb, misleading-at-best argument, that's all.

So they shut the plant in 2009.

 

I'd say the plant was effectively shut down in 2008 when 97% of its workers were fired and the remaining 3% were told they'd be fired soon. Do you find the firing of the last 57 people in 2009 to be the more significant event?

What attack? He stated a fact. That's all.

 

hey man, it's technically true that, despite firing almost its entire workforce and scheduling the shutdown of the plant in 2008, the plant didn't complete close until 2009! That's all Ryan's trying to say, that Obama is responsible for the plant laying off those last 57 people that knew their jobs were gone anyway. He just forgot a few of the minor, irrelevant details.

Edited August 30, 201213 yr by StrangeSox

hey man, it's technically true that, despite firing almost its entire workforce and scheduling the shutdown of the plant in 2008, the plant didn't complete close until 2009! That's all Ryan's trying to say, that Obama is responsible for the plant laying off those last 57 people that knew their jobs were gone anyway. He just forgot a few of the minor, irrelevant details.

He is saying Obama said he would keep the plant open and he didn't. Ryan didn't ay it would have been a good thing if he used stimulus to keep it open, or any such thing. And it doesn't matter what you infer. Just that Obama broke a promise. And you can cry about 'effective' dates all you want, factually it closed in 2009, under Obama, after he said he would keep it open for 100 years. Same with the debt commission. It doesn't matter how Ryan voted, Obama set up this commission then ignored everything they said. Defend it with a reason WHY he let the plant close or WHY he ignored the commission, not your old 'well they did it too' argument.

He is saying Obama said he would keep the plant open and he didn't. Ryan didn't ay it would have been a good thing if he used stimulus to keep it open, or any such thing. And it doesn't matter what you infer. Just that Obama broke a promise. And you can cry about 'effective' dates all you want, factually it closed in 2009, under Obama, after he said he would keep it open for 100 years. Same with the debt commission. It doesn't matter how Ryan voted, Obama set up this commission then ignored everything they said. Defend it with a reason WHY he let the plant close or WHY he ignored the commission, not your old 'well they did it too' argument.

The commission did not issue a report.

This snippet from Andrew Sullivan's live blogging of the convention made me laugh:

9.49 pm. We just heard someone extol Romney's sterling leadership after 9/11 - in the Olympic world. And now a reference to the WTC flag in the Salt Lake Olympics. They are still wringing every last political drop out of that catastrophe. What on earth does this tell us about Mitt Romney? Zero. He should be elected president because someone was able to carry a flag in the Olympics? Don't get it, I'm afraid.