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  1. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jan 7, 2008 -> 02:40 PM) Anderson and Young weren't equally good prospects at the time of the trade IMO, Young had an edge. I for one wouldn't have been too nervous about Young playing CF in '06. Skipping AAA isn't unheard of and the stuff about a raw player struggling with his batting average is revisionist history since he hit .277 in AA right before we dealt him. Also, let's not forget that the pressing hole we filled at the time was "sixth starter." Trading Young was by no means essential to defending our World Series Crown. Look at Boston, you don't see them bending over backwards to deal all of their top prospects. I'd say Young had a higher ceiling than Anderson, but he was more raw. Either way both of them were legit prospects. Looking at his career batting averages in the minors he's never really hit for a very high average, I think his average in the minors was .260 when we traded him. Eventually at the MLB level he will learn to hit for contact reliably, but I don't see that happening if he comes up to be the uncontested starter in 2006.
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    Official NFL Thread

    QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2008 -> 01:46 AM) How much is it going to have to snow to stop the New England passing attack? 4 inches? This looks like an easy win for New England, especially with a week of rest. New England is unbeaten, not unbeatable. It's not a coincidence that the teams that actually have the balls to blitz Brady aggressively and force him into making mistakes are the ones that have been the closest to winning. Those teams also have a versatile rushing attack... NE had no answer for Addai, Westbrook, or even McGahee off the top of my head. I happen to think Jacksonville has a very good chance of beating the Pats. I don't necessarily think the Jags will win but it certainly won't be easy for the Pats.
  3. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jan 7, 2008 -> 03:18 AM) No offense to anyone but I think you'll almost always find most Sox fans in favor of a prospects for major leaguers deal. First of all, despite Sox fans' reputation as pessimists, most fans I've encountered defend the overwhelming majority of Kenny's moves. Look no further than the Chris Young trade: the consensus in baseball is that Young is a highly promising young player and we got hosed in the deal but many White Sox fans still adamantly defend the deal. People moan about Young's OBP even though he improved markedly in the second half of his rookie year and posted a .358 OBP in the minors. More importantly though, Sox fans seem very willing to throw their support behind any deal where "unproven" prospects are deals for established players. People in this thread seem to be explicitly saying they believe a prospects for major leaguers deal is always a good deal, which I find completely mind boggling. Every All-Star and Superstar player was a prospect once and most of them where highly touted prospects like DLS and Gio. You know what really kills me about the Chris Young deal... they act like we got completely screwed on that deal and that Kenny should've KNOWN he was going to be a better CF than Anderson, shame on him for having a broken flux capacitor on his Delorean and not being able to know in advance. If you're ready to defend a WS title and you have to bank on one of your two really good, 5-tool prospects filling a hole, are you going to go with the one that's still a raw AA project that is still working on hitting for average (power numbers notwithstanding), or the (apparently) refined player who tore up AAA and hit close to .300 in the minors? If I have to flip a coin I'm going with the second. Does anybody think Chris Young would've been the same impact player he is for AZ that he is on the Sox if he was put into the starting role in CF in 2006? I somehow don't think so. I tend to think we would've been just as impatient with him as we were with Anderson. Yeah that choice obviously blew up in Kenny's face but I don't really fault him for making it at the time. Although... last time I checked, that hole in the roster brought Jim Thome, who doesn't exactly suck (not happy about Frank leaving, but whatever, what can you do). And the player we gave up bought us a legit #2 starter.
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    Konerko to the Angels?

    QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 11:11 PM) No one did say that. Some, however, are under the assumption that Fields would immediately become an average+ defender at 1B simply by putting him over there. It doesn't work like that, or at least it hasn't for the vast majority of people moved to 1B. I didn't say anything like that nor do I recall anyone else saying that. The only thing I've been saying is that Fields's liability on defense is going to be less at 1B than it is at 3B. I don't see what the big deal would be about him making mistakes while trying to learn the position, he's going to do it at 3B too.
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    Konerko to the Angels?

    QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 07:11 PM) Yeah, most players get written off after not even a full season of ball in the majors..... Crede came up and immediately was godly...... Josh Fields has been playing pro ball for 4 years now. How much do you think he's going to improve on defense, realistically? It's not like hitting, where each time you move up it's harder and harder and there's adjustment required. You either can field or you can't. You can be coached to some degree but if you don't have it, you're not just going to suddenly get it when you get called up to the majors. He might one day be an average defender at 3B and that's an absolute best case scenario.
  6. lostfan

    Konerko to the Angels?

    QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 06:52 PM) Why do people just assume you can stick any shmo over at 1B and they'll automatically be at least average defensively? There are skills needed to play there just like any other position. Fields has rarely ever played the position in his career. He's got enough defensive potential to stick at 3B, and shouldn't be moved to 1B unless we acquire a top 3B. Because if you are an athlete like Fields, who does have said skills, you can. A 3B who can't theoretically play 1st is pretty much worthless.
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    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 06:29 PM) I think it's entirely possible that both Floyd and Danks will be roughly "Average" next year, and if that happens, we'll consider Floyd more valuable simply because he's almost guaranteed to give us more innings and remain fresher longer. If both of them are average I think the team really wouldn't be in very bad shape. Danks pitched reasonably well before taking a dive from a tired arm or whatever in the stretch run, and Floyd wasn't THAT bad, with some work he'd make a decent #5 as long as he doesn't blow up and have an ERA of 6.50. It'd just take a lot of luck for both pitchers to reach their highest potential.
  8. lostfan

    Konerko to the Angels?

    QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 06:20 PM) He's an above average offensive 3B. He'd be a below average offensive 1B meanwhile adding nothing defensively. Above average offensive 3B... below average defensive 3B. I don't particularly care how he hits in comparison to other 1Bs, esp. in the AL. Defense disadvantages mitigate offensive advantages and if you go to 1B it's just offset. He is in the lineup providing power numbers and decent speed, that's what's important.
  9. lostfan

    Konerko to the Angels?

    QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 02:43 PM) Moving Fields to 1B hurts his value as well. How exactly? As things stand now, he just plain isn't a good defensive 3B.
  10. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 05:14 PM) I think Floyd will out preform Danks in 2008... Just another one of my "crazy" baseball theories. That's not really that crazy. At worst that's unfounded optimism (or pessimism if you're saying Danks will crash)
  11. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 04:50 PM) Well said, not to mention our Pitching sucks . Williams screwed up big time in my eyes. I didn't expect for this team to be 100% rebuilt and ready to contend for the AL in one season though. Step 1 was getting rid of the dead weight, step 2 was adding some youth and speed in the lineup. Step 3 is solidifying the rotation unless Contreras trips and falls into a fountain of youth and Danks and Floyd pitch out of their minds and turn into bona fide MLB starters. Danks I can see pitching well enough for a #4, not sure about Floyd.
  12. lostfan

    Konerko to the Angels?

    The Chicago Angels and the Los Angeles White Sox... I really do hope we find a way to land Figgins though.
  13. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 07:43 PM) Free agency is the only realistic way we can get better. Who... Where... When... ...and how much. What free agent who is out there right now is going to make the Sox into a WS contender all of a sudden? We have question marks/holes in the rotation but unfortunately there is no magic switch that the GM can flip to fix it. Either the guys we have are going to do well or they aren't, that's just how it is.
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    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 06:54 PM) Then how will we compete? By trading some prospects for major league players? That's a nice theory when you actually have prospects other teams would want to trade for... how how about we bring up some prospects who can contribute a la Joba Champerlin? Oh wait, we don't have any good prospects who we could call up and make a difference. We should've given $100M to Hunter and $350M to A-Rod, just for good measure, no way they could've refused that. Next year we should throw $200M at Johan Santana. But KW won't give all that money to free agents, so he sucks, and we will suck. Geez dude, I thought I was overly critical of KW sometimes, I mean damn.
  15. lostfan

    Crede Minors Question

    QUOTE(JFields27 @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 07:00 PM) yeah oh well when Crede came up what did everyone say, he had great defense hes gonna get everything, but where the hell is his bat. He got his bat with some experience. Fields comes here with a great power bat, and last season he made some very nice plays at 3B and at other times it was just like damn what was he thinking with that, I think he could be taught some skills at the position to make him better I'm not saying he's not going to improve, but hitting tools are more likely to develop than fielding tools, especially if you hit well in every level of the minors like Crede did. Fields, on the other hand, has been playing professional baseball for several years now and it's not like fielding at the MLB level is much different from fielding in the minors, so I don't expect him to become a significantly better defender although he is pretty athletic. It'd be nice if he did though.
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    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 06:43 PM) The only way this team can compete in the near future is by spending loads of money in FA lol I don't care what sport you're talking about, that is a thoroughly retarded approach to running a franchise unless you have unlimited resources like the Yankees, and even then it's not necessarily the best option.
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    Crede Minors Question

    I just wish Fields could routinely make plays at 3B that I couldn't make. I guess it's good he isn't Ryan Braun, but damn what a significant defensive downgrade that'd be.
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    Konerko to the Angels?

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 06:28 PM) I'm series, if Kenny makes a Konerko for Santana and Figgins trade, I am done as a White Sox fan until after we finish behind the royals and Kenny Williams dumbass is fired. Yeah... a complete waste if they don't include Vlad in the deal, God knows guys like Thome, Dye, Swisher, and Fields don't provide enough power to this lineup. Oh and I want their best pitching prospect too. It needs to be even more one-sided than the A.J. Pierzynski trade.
  19. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 06:20 PM) I love it... people complain how we have no prospects and then we go and trade our 3 best prospects, everyone then goes, well their just prospects. LMAO. Meh the farm system just went from really bad to virtually non-existent. There isn't much of a difference. The farm system was already going to have to be rebuilt anyway.
  20. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 04:17 PM) Unfortunately, absolutely nothing indicates that will be the case. Buehrle was excellent in the minors whereas Broadway has been very mediocre. Broadway was unimpressive in AAA last year (although not outright bad, either) but to say his whole minor league career has been mediocre is a stretch. Both he and Buehrle were so-so at A and good at AA, Broadway didn't put up good stats when he got called up to AAA though (Buehrle came straight from AA, IIRC). However, I'm not trying to imply that I think Broadway will ever be the pitcher Buehrle is... Broadway doesn't have anywhere near the command Buehrle does so he won't be able to get away with not having overpowering stuff as easily.
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    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 10:29 PM) Owens could well put up a .350 OBP next year, he put up a .340 obp in his 2nd callup, in sort of an average year cabrera winds up around .320. That's what I was getting at... I guess on a baseball forum where people cling to stats as gospel I shouldn't have stated an exact number like 40, which was intended to be totally random. But it's not at all inconceivable to think that Owens would get on base at a .350 clip with a full seasons' worth of ABs (assuming he'd get it) in his second year.
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    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 10:13 PM) I like Ocab as much as the next guy, but where do you get the idea Cabrera is a .350 OBP player? He has never posted a .350 OBP, and owns a .321 career OBP. I got lazy, and I looked only at last year's stats. I forgot, I do recall saying a few weeks ago that Owens is better suited to lead off because he was probably going to have about 40 points higher OBP than Cabrera.
  23. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:27 PM) Some folks feel that OBP is king when it comes to leadoff hitting. Depends on your perspective. Swisher provides power, but this lineup is already pretty well powered up in the middle. Since everyone else is doing it, here would be my lineup... Cabrera, SS Swisher, CF Thome, DH Konerko, 1B Dye, RF Pierzynski, C Fields, 3B Quentin, LF Richar, 2B While I agree with that mentality, the OBP of Cabrera isn't exactly a liability even if he's a better #2 hitter. You still have all the OBP in the world with Swisher in the 2 hole, I mean to have a guy who could potentially get on at a .400 clip (and 30 HR potential to boot) batting behind a relatively fast .350 type leadoff hitter, followed up by the now-proverbial Thome-Konerko-Dye, I don't mind that at all.
  24. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    Swisher would be the slowest leadoff hitter I've seen in recent memory. In a lineup without Owens, why on earth would you not lead Cabrera off and have Swisher bat second? It would make no sense whatsoever and it's not like anything is lost by having Swisher at the second spot in the order. This isn't like the 3rd and 4th spots in the order where there isn't much difference between which power hitter you have there.
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    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(Vance Law @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 11:17 AM) Not a personal attack or anything. Just illustrating my point that people will hyper-focus on the question marks surrounding our team (our rotation in this case) and the COMPLETELY GIVE A PASS to other teams with the same or similar ????s. Chisoxfn pointed out how Bonderman's stuff is great but admitted his performance hasn't measured up. If Bonderman were on the Sox all these years putting up the EXACT same performance, a majority of people here would have been calling for his head by his second season (and probably his first). "He's worthless, sell him for a bag of balls, he's a head case, I don't give a crap about STUFF if you can't get hitters out," etc, etc, etc. And that's just Bonderman. That's not even mentioning their 3-5 starters. I do not think Bonderman will ever be any more than he is. Meaning on Monday he's a #3, on Wednesday he's a #1, on next Tuesday he's David Aardsma. He's got a plenty big sample size now, and a pattern established, and if he hasn't developed this elusive "consistency" people say he needs by now after... what... 5 years, he's just not going to. He will always have nasty stuff, but if he ever puts it all together I'll be surprised.
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