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    In Defense of Leury

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    It was annoying earlier in the season to see him playing every game, and for a while it was like he was up *every time* the Sox had RISP in a high-leverage situation, but that wasn't really his fault. He's a utility guy, in that role, he's great

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    Have we ever had a player with as much raw talent as Luis Robert?

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by lostfan

    2 hours ago, greg775 said:

    Good point bringing up Dick Allen. Robert obviously is special if he can stay healthy. Big Frank, Dick Allen, Robert and Eloy. Yes Eloy! He's also freakishly full of superstar potential. ... I don't mention Abreu, who is one of my all time faves, but I wouldn't balk if Abreu was on some sort of list of Sox studs.

    I'm an Eloy fan and I think he's gonna be the best pure hitter this franchise has had since Frank but he's nowhere near as toolsy as Robert. All Robert's tools grade out at 70 or 80 (whether they all develop all the way into long-term MLB success is a whole other story) 

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    Have we ever had a player with as much raw talent as Luis Robert?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    2 hours ago, ThirdGen said:

    I wish there was a way to go back and use the tools we currently use to evaluate players to evaluate players from previous generations.

    I recall Dick Allen having insane power.  But I wonder how his exit velocity would compare to Robert and Jimenez.  The size and strength of today's players makes players from the 70's and 80's look like high school kids.  Frank was part of the first generation that were built like that (many through modern science).

    A lot of people blame cell phones and a lack of attention for the need to screen in the stands.  The real reason is that the current generation of players- 1 through 9- hit the ball a hell of a lot harder than prior generations did.

    I do believe Robert has the ability to retire as the Sox GOAT.   I've never seen such raw all around talent.

    I think about this a lot. We've got so many metrics now to measure things we didn't really know how to quantify when I was a kid and I would've been so into that in the 90s. Stuff like spin rates on pitches, launch angles, exit velocity, WAR (especially dWAR), UZR, all those things.

    Have we ever had a player with as much raw talent as Luis Robert?

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 hour ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

    This thread is bad karma. Dude's gonna get hurt or go into a massive slump if this continues.

    The guy sucks. He's never hit for the cycle, never had a 3 HR game, and hasn't magically transformed Eloy into a gold glove left fielder. Hell, he didn't even play 100 games his rookie season. What kind of superstar can't even play 100 games as a rookie?

    I, too, possess this special negative power but it only seems to work on the Bears but I'll give it a try 

    Luis Robert is a bust. Another embarrassing failure by our scouting department. 

    Playoff odds

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    I had plans to go to Vegas to see the Bears w/my friend but she wanted to pivot towards the White Sox playoffs (and I agreed). As of right now it looks like they'd be playing Houston - we're both from Chicago obviously and she lives in Houston, so that'd work, but damn, the Astros beat us like we stole something this year

    Have we ever had a player with as much raw talent as Luis Robert?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, mmmmmbeeer said:

    I'm very encouraged both by this approach at the plate pre-injury, as well as the fact he's been able to build upon that success since coming back.

    That said, it's incredibly premature to be asking questions about him being one of the best White Sox of all time.  The tools are there but there have been a ton of guys who have come into this league as 5-tool threats who just drifted out of the game without ever reaching their potential.  

    I'm seriously excited for what he could do for this franchise but let's pump the brakes a bit on the GOAT talk until he plays an entire season or two.

    I definitely understand what you're saying but this wasn't really what I was asking, I tried to be careful with how I worded it because it's still entirely possible he flames out, plus he hasn't actually *done* that much yet, having only played 97 MLB games so far. "Potential" is really hard to project in the majors but I cannot remember a time when a guy in the White Sox system has this many tools, graded this highly, checking as many boxes at each level of development as he has.

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    Have we ever had a player with as much raw talent as Luis Robert?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said:

    I don't think its a stretch to say Abreu has turned himself into a top third MLB defender at 1B.  Pretty incredible what he's done over there.  Abreu is a fucking man.  Love the dude.  I know this is a Luis thread, but Abreu gets no where near as much respect as he deserves nationally, league-wide, and even among Sox fans.  He's a Sox legend.  So happy they resigned him, and he's already earned every dollar of that $50M. 

    Earlier this week I was thinking about the Olympics and how Jamaican track and field fans love Allyson Felix and respect her as a legend even though she doesn't compete for them - she shows them love so they love her back. It's kind of the same thing with Abreu. I watch the way opponents interact with him between plays. They're always friendly and cordial, chatting him and such, pitchers hit him and immediately apologize. 

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    Have we ever had a player with as much raw talent as Luis Robert?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    Just now, hogan873 said:

    His second home run yesterday was a great example of how much power this guy has.  He might have hit that ball with 50% of his power, and it easily found the seats.  That ridiculous power is just a part of his game.  His speed, which is understandably and purposefully down a bit right now, might even be a more important part of his game.  He can run out singles that should have been outs, turn singles into doubles, turn doubles into stand-up triples, and get to balls in the outfield with ease.  He makes tough plays look routine regularly.

    He's young and still raw.  He's going to get better, and if he even comes close to most of his potential in all areas, he's going to be one of the best players in baseball for a long time.  I don't know if the Sox ever had a player with as much raw talent.  Guys like this don't come along very often.

    That one looked like he could have taken a swing with just his left hand and still put it over the fence. Wasn't even much of a swing.

    Have we ever had a player with as much raw talent as Luis Robert?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    5 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

    You know my views - Robert has the potential to be the greatest Sox player in franchise history.  And I legitimately mean that. I'm not saying he will be - but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it held true, nor would I be surprised if he was an MVP/best player in all of baseball.  I was worried how he would come back from the injury and whether it would impact his explosiveness - but so far so good. The guy is just SO freaking talented and despite that he has so much room in his game left to grow too...which is what is scary (in a good way).  

    It is also why when so many people on this site get worried about the ups and downs of baseball - I Just look across this roster and see so many guys with all star talent and in this case a guy with MVP talent that it is hard not to get giddy about the possibilities.  We should all remember that - especially during the dog days of summer.  

    I always feel like I gotta hedge myself when I talk about him and use "could be" or "potentially" so I am not putting him on the level of Mike Trout - can't really say that until he's actually done it - but the tools are there, if this guy does 150-155 games in a season he is a 8+ WAR type of player.

    There is always the worrying about how he's gonna respond when pitchers start exploiting his weaknesses but he's already had a couple of rounds of that. The sliders just off the plate were killing him but he's seeing those a lot better. And this is just the beta version of him, he keeps getting better. I'm wondering when he is gonna plateau and it hasn't happened.

    Have we ever had a player with as much raw talent as Luis Robert?

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    Not just the tools themselves, but seeing those tools actually develop in the majors. I try to avoid making my mind to go places like this but with Robert I just can't avoid it. He came to us with so much hype, and at every level of his development he's exceeded or outright destroyed the expectations like it was a joke to him.

    My first thought is of course Frank Thomas, easily the greatest hitter we've ever had, but he wasn't a Gold Glove infielder and he didn't run like Luis.

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    8/29 game thread Sox vs Cubs 1:10 first pitch

    in 2021 Season in Review

    Posted

    Just now, Dick Allen said:

    He is laying off the low and away slider. He's a bad man 

     

    It's hard for him to resist that because he's been able to hit it at lower levels and MLB pitchers are too good, they started taking advantage of him and he was having some tough ABs for a while, but he figured it out. Still strikes out on it (like every MLB player does) but nowhere near as often.

    AND THAT'S A WHITE SOX WINNER!!!

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

    I have other favorite players on the team, but there is no doubt that Robert had the highest ceiling as a true 5 tool superstar.

    Moncada is close to that which is why I think people get over-the-top when they talk about how "bad" he is. He is a guy who can potentially play at a MVP level but what they see is just "pretty good"

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