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3 hours ago, Quin said:
Is it safe to say the Tony La Russa hire is the all time worst move in franchise history?
There have been at least a dozen internal and externally driven decisions and incidents I'd rate worse / more detrimental to the Chicago White Sox.
In terms of strictly owner / front office baseball decisions, I would have to rank Tony La Russa's hire among the Top 5 since 1975.
Would say Omar Vizquel was the most vile hire. Rick Hahn was the most destructive long term hire.
Robin Ventura was the worst managerial hire (least qualified) followed by Terry Bevington and Tony La Russa third (2020) and fourth (1979).
Chronological
- Fall 1977 Roland Hemond hires Tony La Russa
- 8/2/1979 Roland Hemond promotes Tony La Russa
- 10/2/1985 Jerry Reinsdorf replaces Roland Hemond with Ken Harrelson
- 6/6/1986 Ken Harrelson fires Dave Dombrowski
- 6/22/1986 Ken Harrelson hires Jim Fregosi
- 9/16/1990 Jerry Reinsdorf fires Larry Himes
- 11/5/1990 Jerry Reinsdorf hires Ron Schueler
- 10/11/1991 Ron Schueler forces out Jeff Torborg
- 6/2/1995 Ron Schueler hires Terry Bevington
- Summer 2011 Kenny Williams extends clubhouse snitch Don Cooper behind Ozzie Guillen's back
- 10/6/2011 Kenny Williams hires Robin Ventura
- 10/26/2012 Jerry Reinsdorf promotes Rick Hahn
- 12/4/2017 Chris Getz hires Omar Vizquel
- 10/10/2019 Rick Hahn promotes Frank Menechino
- 10/29/2020 Jerry Reinsdorf hires Tony La Russa
- 12/1/2020 Tony La Russa hires Shelley Duncan
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2 hours ago, Tony said:
La Russa appears to be one of the few people who is not aware of what the sentiment is within his "family". Sure there are several rookies or guys like Jose Abreu who just bite their tongue, at least in front of media.
QuoteIt’s known that Cueto’s viewpoint is shared inside the clubhouse.
“I don’t want to speak for everybody, but sometimes it’s [the fire] there, sometimes it’s not,” Lucas Giolito said Thursday. “To climb out of the position we’re in takes a lot of fight, takes some fire. Playing with purpose. We’re all trying but it’s not about trying, it’s about doing and you have to have that energy, that passion.”
Andrew Vaughn, who homered in the ninth inning, said he agrees with Cueto.
“Yeah, I think so,” Vaughn said. “I’m not a big rah rah guy, pretty quiet and soft spoken. Whatever guys need to get themselves going on the field is great.”
“Everyone in here knows he goes out and gives everything he’s got,” Harrison said. “So if it’s something he might have seen ... and more of the fire is about putting it together consistently. It’s no secret we haven’t been as consistent as we’d like. Sometimes that comes with energy here and there.”
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34 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:
Dude that was April come on. He has been a douche all season but this is the wrong tweet to point that out lol
It was one of many examples of Steve’s predictions of the La Russa era failing miserably, starting with the day of Tony’s hire when Steve tweeted “A Tony La Russa team would never be out managed” and stating Tony would hold his players accountable.
This 2022 Stone preseason prediction of Tony’s base-running approach is once again completely opposite of what has transpired.
Steve may end up taking potshots at the team and eventually the manager to close out the season. He also did this in his final days with the Cubs.
He needs to own the fact that he everything he predicted about Tony La Russa era from October 2020 through at least June 2022 have been completely wrong, and in contrast with what the rest of the world has observed since Opening Day 2021.
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Every time I read this thread title, this Elton John song lyric runs through my head.
”Someone saved, someone saved, someone saved my Sox tonight”
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Just now, Balta1701 said:
The right answer is "I am the general manager of this baseball team. They are a billion dollar business with a revenue in the hundreds of millions of dollars per year. I am going to conduct a professional search interviewing a large number of candidates because that is my job and that is the only fitting way to handle a business like this one. If you are taking the power away from me to run this team in a professional manner then you will need to find a general manager willing to accept that restriction because I cannot as that restriction means I am no longer the general manager in anything other than name only. Either you must drop that restriction or I will tender my resignation."
That was his speech in 2020. He choose instead to be Jerry and Tony’s lapdog at that moment and stay on the payroll.
No way he can lead an organization and have people respect him at this point. It must be earned, and between his results and actions, he hasn’t in a decade. He couldn’t even stand up to a 13 year old kid.
Gar Pax, Pace Nagy, Hahn La Russa. Need to clean house as one cannot stay without the other, and have a chance at future success.
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3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
I would admit to being a little disappointed if they hired Cairo as they'd be hiring someone from wtihin the organization again.
But my biggest question would be about the process. Did the new GM actually get to conduct a search with interviews? Did they interview a large group of people, with significant diversity in experience and in style? Did they conduct second interviews? Are they serious about doing this correctly and Cairo actually had a really great plan and got along well with the new GM, or are they trying to be cheap by staying internal again and slacking off out of doing any hard work?
I’m not necessarily saying he should be the top candidate, just saying we know nothing about him or what he could do.
Honestly, I stumped here for Joe Espada in October 2020, and he would be my first choice now. Joe may end up taking the Houston managerial job in October, and no way he comes here over staying with a solid organization.
I do know my answer if Jerry presented two options to Hahn, Tony or Miguel.
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3 minutes ago, wegner said:
I read someone on twitter saying how much the players love Miguel Cairo. I still haven't seen that guy once.
He’s only allowed to speak when La Russa is out of state.
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2 minutes ago, wegner said:
Bring back Renteria and fire him again at the end of the season. Are the Sox still paying him anyways?
No, Hahn’s October 2019 extension of Ricky was through October 2021.
Still like Joe Espada on Houston. Hard to judge for or against Miguel Cairo, who did a good job in NY. Players like him here as well.
The Sox played their best game in the La Russa 2.0 Era when Tony was away in Florida, and Miguel Cairo managed the White Sox to a cone from behind victory in the Field of Dreams game.
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55 minutes ago, chetkincaid said:
I have to believe that season ticket sales will plummet if they were to announce that TLR was coming back for 2023.
When are season ticket down payments due, in mid to late October? Not sure if they slow-rolled announcing the Tony La Russa hire until after the 2021 down payments were due.
Jerry planned on hiring Tony sometime between the Winter of 2020 and September, when Jerry unleashed Stone, Garfien and the rest of his paid media hacks on Ricky Renteria who did the best he could with one solid starter.
I believe Hahn and Tony are signed through at least October 2023, and wouldn’t be surprised if both received an extension beyond this last October.
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34 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said:
Stone calling out the culture. "If hustling is optional..."
30 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:Fuck Steve Stone fans have seen that all year. Now all of a sudden it is an issue.
Fuck this jabroni lying sack of shit. 50 more games of this asshole until he’s gone, and it can’t come any sooner.
Pepperage Farm Remembers.
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Rick Hahn hired Menechino on October 10, 2019.
Quote"On the one hand, you expect talented players to perform well on the big league level. On the other hand, you can't take things for granted and guys need instruction and adjustments and occasionally some good luck to help get them to fulfill their potential," general manager Rick Hahn said
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So Lopez, Graveman and Hendricks will have pitched in one game since Friday heading into the Detroit series.
I wonder if Tony will use them, or will they instead continue resting in a close or tied game without a lead.
Not like any of these games in August are important.
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12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
You missed this important following tweet:
Rick Hahn enjoying a day on the playground.
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2 minutes ago, ScooterMcGuire said:
Stone talking about time of possession
Fifty more games until "He Gawn" for good.
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Kenny Williams disguises himself as Rick Hahn for a day to see how he gets away with it.
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2 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:
I love Yaz pimping his home run. You have been garbage all year, yet you pimp that dong because you have done it so much. Get out of here.
He's getting over $4M per home run this season.
Oh, Tony made Rick sign him. LOLz
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Just now, fathom said:
Yeah that should have been Lopez, but Tony never pitches his main guys when they’re trailing.
Handing out saves and holds is far more important than trying to win the game you are playing.
Lopez, Graveman and Hendriks only pitched once since Friday.
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So glad Hawk retired, because he would have certainly died of a heart attack broadcasting this sorry ass team and dealing with Stone for another season.
"And they find another WAY!!!"
Hawk did the right thing in 1986. Period.
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Was 9-5 in game threads last season.
Likely 0-2 unless the Sox miraculously turn it around.
Thought they would go 11-8 during the 19 game stretch that started with Colorado. They are 8-8 and need to sweep Detroit to reach that low bar threshold against the "easy part of the schedule".
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My oh my, Jason's getting a chubby with Nicky Lopez up.
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Nearly every baseball fan in America is a Tony La Russa fan.
Just about every Twins, Tigers, Guardians, Royals, Astros, Athletics......... fan loves Tony La Russa and hope he and Jerry are in their roles into the 2030s.
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11 minutes ago, almagest said:
Both Benetti and Stone are frustrated and it's coming out more and more. No idea how Menechino is still here.
They need to be gone as well after this season.
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13 minutes ago, A-Train to 35th said:
How can you blame it on Hahn when he didn't get to pick the Manager, or isn't allowed to spend money. Yes the Sox make offers but never land them, is it coincidence or are we not hearing the whole story on the offer. Just like the Sox we're all in on Ohtani, ok lets see how all in they are when he becomes a free agent. Carrot & Stick, just come close without spending anymore of my money and you'll have a job forever.
WTF? Hahn spent $200 million this season on absolute horseshit.
He extended Ricky and then fired him 60 games later.
Just about the entire organization from top to bottom needs to be flushed down the toilet, but Hahn is most certainly the first or second crap you take in the process.
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2 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:
Sox had holes at RF and 2B and filled them with Harrison and god damn Sheets
1 minute ago, South Side Hit Men said:Sad that this team regressed at 2B and RF after changing from Nomar Mazara and Nick Madrigal.
MLB Fangraph Team WAR Ranks by Position
Second Base: 9 2020; 23 2021; 25 2022
Right Field: 17 2020; 24 2022; 22 2022
This is all on Hahn. He had $5.5M / year tied up in Mazara and Madrigal in 2020, and turned that into Harrison / Garcia / Sheets at $11.6M, and the 2022 options are worse.
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