Chick Mercedes
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38 minutes ago, Sambuca said:
Trading Moncada to make room for Burger lol
You would need to explain to me why in a hypothetical situation where Burger (or someone else young the Sox had) became a competent WAR 3rd baseman, why trading Moncada for equal talent at a different position of need would be funny instead of advantageous to the team. It seems appropriate that Moncada should simply volunteer to play somewhere else in that scenario ideally. Of course you could go the other way and trade Burger to fill the hole. But at this point in time, the Sox are trying dumb things like putting Burger at second…..now that’s funny.
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The blingy thing about Adolfo was the cannon he had in right field. If he lost that he lost a lot of sparkle. His power was impressive as far as upside, if not accomplishment, but that arm was the closing argument. I have not heard how that’s been going. But without it….
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To get back on topic, the Sox need to eat all Escobar’s salary in order to reduce the prospect price for him. If they don’t take that approach, they can’t be as serious as they say they are about building up the prospect base and changes with philosophy within the organization.
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12 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said:
Why is this even a discussion?
You just don't trade players like Yoan unless you are rebuilding.
Like WTF are you guys even thinking that promote it?
You'd have to trade Yoan to a contender and they'd have to give some high quality pieces back and it's such a nuisance of a trade that it's just not fathomable.
Just saying, to echo other comments, he has not earned the claim to 3rd base for life that has been fait accompli around here. That’s teally what the discussion is. It’s s not advocating a deal today. Rather debating Yoan Moncada’s ultimate value and fan derived status given the issues with his game. He is talked about like some 5 tool guy, but only uses about 3ish, and cannot fill other holes on the team as they crop up. That’s all.
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12 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
lol wat?
Haha yeah. It is equally funny that he is considered some kind of untouchable given his uneven career, and positional limitations. As well as the needs of the team going forward.
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4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Why are you trading, at least one of the 10-15 best players in MLB at the peak of our competitive window to give the position who’s another major injury from having to retire, and who’s only one year younger?
Not to mention those huge prospect haul trades are just not out there in June/July. They usually take multiple teams or an entire offseason to put together.
Can’t even recall the last one...where a playoff contending team traded a young potentially star player for prospects, even close to major league ready ones.
Doesn’t mean Burger specifically. Just as a general comment, as soon as the Sox had a 3rd base prospect WAR guy. Never said anything about a prospect trade. But a ML banger in RF? Very considerable.
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24 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:
Moncada was pretty bad at 2B and is good at 3B. Why mess with a good thing? Why move Yoan off of his best position so a lesser player can play there? That seems silly to me.
You’re describing a limited asset. One that has less homers than our shortstop btw. I certainly would not build my team around him at third base. His career accomplishments does not dictate it. I’d mess with it in a heartbeat if I could bet a good corner outfielder for him as long as the Sox can get a WAR player at third base to replace him. If he cannot move he becomes an expenable.
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36 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
I think Yoan has made it pretty clear he is quite fragile, in a number of ways. He's a good 3B and a well above average player. Just leave him alone. Some guys can be used all over, some can't. We don't know that he can't, but he strikes me as a guy that should just be left alone. He's already been moved from 2B to 3B and hasn't made an appearance elsewhere since, so I wouldn't expect that to change any time soon.
In that case, as soon as Burger became ready at 3rd, Moncada should be available in trades.
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1 hour ago, Tnetennba said:
Moncada is signed for four more years. If Jake Burger is still in the org in 4 years time, great, but he's not supplanting Moncada at 3B any time soon.
Just as a general comment, Moncada being wed to 3rd base til death does he part is probably a little bit over the top. Players move around based on team needs. Or, the good ones can. No reason he doesn’t move around like Kris Bryant etc if the Sox would benefit. I don’t understand the mentality around him. If Burger ever became a legit 3rd baseman, Moncada in the outfield basically solves all our problems for example. If the guy is too fragile to be a team player, he aint that good.
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1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:
Ironically, Escobar himself is the comparison here. We gave him up for a rental - Liriano - in 2012, when they were hanging on to first place barely with a team surprisingly outperforming. They didn't win the division that year, but that trade was filling their need for pitching help. Was that a bad trade?
Depending on how well stocked the farm is, could have been. As we know one thing, good young players are rare for the Sox, so they are probably more valuable to the Sox than a lot of other teams. Gotta get out of this mentality for the most part. Today, for Escobar, we might could do a deal because we already have good young players in the show. But the Sox better be building up their own depth so these kinds of things become less necessary. Make no mistake, we are in this position because there is a lack of depth in the organization.
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2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
They have more than that. Teams will definitely be asking about Ramos and Rodriquez with Kanny 2 19 yr. olds with big upside and decent performances so far.
The Kanny kids would be huge malpractice to trade because you can’t get anything near their possible upside value. That’s not how yo make trades to be a successful organization under these conditions. Ramos and Rodrigquez are whatevers. Nott much help there.
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3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
They could because they have some good pieces there and since some of them are very young it's more about the tools than performance with them. But I guarantee Kelley, Thompson, Krogman , Horn and Dahlquist and especially Jose Rodriquez and Bryan Ramos would be very interesting to other teams. Practically anyone could be used as a throw in among the names I didn't mention.
They might be interesting. But the offers would be crap. Selling low is the road to perdition for a GM.
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I don’t think the Sox can trade the Kanapolis kids at all. Their values are at rock bottom.
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4 hours ago, kitekrazy said:
Burger is working at 2nd lately.
Yes. That’s an epic joke. Double plays will be a joke, as will his range be a joke. Another joke is how it is completely out of the realm of possibility for Moncada to switch back to second this season. There is no way in hell Moncada doesn’t play second base better than Burger does. And Burger is a first round draft choice at third base. But of course not. Play Burger at second. THIS IS INSANE.
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Perhaps. Well, if they did go Burger, the only thing that makes sense is putting Burger at third and Moncada sucking it up to play second again to close out the season. Its not like a big deal, I can’t imagine another team or players not rallying the troops and taking emergency action. For some reason everyone is scared of Moncada being to fragile for this. Laughable.
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42 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:
I am fully on board the Schwarber train. The offense desperately needs the power.
Something tells me they are gonna insanely try Burger first
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Instead of a white flag trade, this would be a yellow flag trade.
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2 minutes ago, fathom said:
Just a ridiculously bad effort this series. Timmy been swinging all series like he’s never seen a breaking ball.
All protection in the lineup is gone. They are probably swinging at tougher pitches for a reason.
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26 minutes ago, fathom said:
I’m thinking it’s more likely something is fishy on the pitching end than the other way around. With that said, if the pitching is going to slow down across the league due to the sticky stuff ban, then the offense better start picking things up.
Not sure that’s gonna happen. Since Madrigal they have had some people step up, but……
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I think we’ll look back at this series and say it was the one that prompted Hahn to make a decision to be a buyer. This feels like a bubble popping.
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1 hour ago, fathom said:
Fans are gonna freak when the Sox have a bottom 5 farm system....while having a top 5 MLB team
Theyre gonna freak when the Sox try to do a hybrid rebuild every cycle like the Devil Rays. Rays, whatever. I'd be happy however if they took one of the big salaries they don't want to pay for a given player, and invest it in some real scouting infrastructure and minors for internationals. That’s going to be the test if it works or not.
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Rodon SHDH
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This offense is kind of vulnerable at times for obvious reasons. But poor Rodon. They automatically go into the tank for him every time
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14 minutes ago, chisoxt said:
Cease will be a lot like Rodon and figure everything out in the very very very last year with the White Sox
Outlawing the spitball will be an interesting new chapter. Who shakes out of the trees.
Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*
in Pale Hose Talk
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Rays fans are used to the revolving door. it is uncomfortable for most other fans to consider living like that. Yet an acknowledgment has been made by most Rays fans that this is a necessity for that franchise to be doing. And you know, it is pretty smart anyway. If you can get yourself to root for the laundry instead of falling in love with players. Incidentally I have always been this way and it is pretty easy and stress free. But most fans love players and become loyal to them more than laundry half the time. People are different. But you know, a mercenary organization intent on being efficient with assets instead of sentimental can thrive pretty well as we have seen. This should be the Sox MO given the self imposed financial limits of the franchise. Something tells me the way while they have finally (FINALLY) gone all in on actual young and premium type talent like the other big time clubs, they still won’t be willing to pay up on most of it when the time comes for second contracts when they become hot property and subject to free market forces. Cool by me, get the trade machine up and running. They will never tell us that’s this is the long term plan, but a lot of fans that get sentimental about players should be ready.