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If he ever gets his cutter back he'll be one tough son of a b****.

yeah, Glover is a damn good pitcher out of the pen.

If Ritchie can pitch like he did with the Pirates and Rauch can step up, AH f*** WERE SCREWED

I'd love to get Ryan Dempster, but i think the Reds would want more then Willie Harris. Also another guy the Soxs should look into is Brad Penny. He has some problems last season, but he looks like a good pitcher. Maybe the Sox's could get him kinda cheap.

Not exactly, if a team puts up a good enough offer, Expos said they'll be willing to give up Vidro instead.

Exactly, everything can't be KW's fault, so just shut the f*** up and support the team we have now.

They didn't want Lee and his 4.5 mil, they wanted to cut salary not just trade money.

They can offer him a contract, if he says no, they can just cut him lose and not offer arbitration. Or i'm i missing something?

First off, if KW really had a deal on monday for just prospects, he would have done it, its obvious the Giants were looking to dump salary and the Sox's were not a good option.

If Ritchie takes a 1 year 1 million base salary + incentives, i say give him another chance, he CAN'T be worse then last season.

This isn't KW's fault, the Braves made a better offer, plain and simple.

Red Sox's cant agree with the Expos, Yankees will only deal if the Red Sox's really have a chance, all those Reds rumors are bulls***, so that leaves the Sox's with the Best offer on the table. (Assuming that KW offered them the Lee/Garland + Prospects deal) Oh yeah f***!!!

Yeah, and this: "White Sox general manager Ken Williams similarly returned empty handed. He was having discussions with San Francisco up until Monday afternoon about Russ Ortiz for a package of young players—the likes of Willie Harris, Jeff Liefer and a pitching prospect like Corwin Malone or Josh Stewart—but didn't make a deal."Phil Rogers It looks more and more then were just gonna trade straight up for Ortiz using prospects, but I still get the feeling that KW will f*** this up and give away Lee or PK for no f***en reason.

Everyone is making it clear that we dont need to offer PK or Lee, just prospects, YA HEAR THAT KW, DONT GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT!!!!

Now that would be a good deal, we dont give up that much and still get our #2 guy.

What about Jose at SS, where else could you put him and yeah theres no chance in hell that would ever happen.

Kent at 5 mil a year? I dont think he's gonna go that low...

pitching is what wins you games, any trade that improves your staff, you have to do.

I'm with you, if we get Ainsworth and Ortiz our rotation looks pretty good, maybe good enough to beat the Twins.

My friend just called me and said he heard Peter Gammons say Russ Ortiz would be traded to the White Sox either today or tomorrow on ESPNews. The if C.Lee is involved this will be a steal.

Muzoz has a good killer curve and a reliever with a trick pitch is noramlly pretty good. If we get Ortiz and Ainsworth for PK, then i'll be happy with the trade.

Only if there willing to give up 25K, which i should hope they would be.

I'll be pissed if PK is gone, they didn't need to give him up.

I'd do the Dempster trade, but i want no park of Astascio.

If they could get him for 750K-1M type range i say give it to him, he's 27, but he's never played on a good team and being in Toranto dosn't help either.