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QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:36 PM) "What if" we, as Sox fans, had an ownership group that would spend for an Upton or Cespedes. Now that really is dreaming! Maybe the next ownership group will!! LDF, let's hope you and I will see that someday, along with a FO that knows how to build a farm system. now i am blind in my trust, with that acknowledgement, i can see a chg in the new management esp in Hahn at the helm. but the main point is now is between now and when the sox minor league will be ready to produce. until then we as fans have to keep plugging along and for me, biiitching and ranting of the sox FO.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:21 PM) If the white sox weren't willing to pony up for what it takes for this roster to be competitive in the next 2 years then why did they trade for 2 different guys who are free agents in 2 years? interesting opinion. so would there be a max number whether it be salary or yrs that will convince you to say.... ah no thanks???? for discussion sake.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:20 PM) I did a lot of dreaming and wishing for a Cespedes signing just like you. I still hope there might be a surprise but, I have this empty feeling. I'm still a Sox fan, though!! same here. there is no other team for me and there is no other forum except this one. but like you, i am getting antsy on waiting.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) There comes a time when the fan has to become realistic. I think we have reached that time, at least I have. ahhh then you are talking about those who post on forum and msg boards. i still love the time of being a youngsters and discussion the what if.... but the bottom line you are correct.

QUOTE (midway @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 04:12 PM) Thanks again for all the hard work you guys do....was kinda hoping to see one of my favorite players make it in the top 30 group...Eddie Alvarez. same here.....

QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:54 PM) I think we have to stop dreaming about Cespedes! isn't that all about being a fan.... dreaming on the "what if"

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:50 PM) Offer him 4 years with mutual 5th year option. $10.5M $20.5M $21.5M $22.5M Option year $23.5M or $5M buyout if player exercises option but club declines. no offense, but i think they will say no, b/c of the first yr salary. i can live with, if it is to be cesp. 1, 24 2. 24 mutual option, 3. 20 4. 18

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:49 PM) Think it's about $189 mil. many thanks, i was too darn lazy to go looking for it. again thanks

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) In case you're wondering, hearing nothing has changed with the Angels: Still want to stay under the tax, still not going after Cespedes. https://twitter.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/689502299836706821 anyone has any idea of the tax??? i thought the tax is, around 160 mil +

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:34 PM) For 1 season, sure. ummm ok... i guess. i may not like it, but i will have to deal with it ..... esp if they fix the outfield. who knows, maybe anderson will surprise everyone......

no offense, but i will use this thread for this question is everybody ok with saladino being the sox starting SS????

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:23 PM) Neither was 2014,2013 or 2012. Last time he was good, Ozzie was managing the White Sox, Buerhle and Paulie were still good, and Adam Dunn was historically bad. ok you have a point but let me add this. anytime a pitcher gets 10 wins oops i made a mistake. is a record. at least for me,. and this is coming into a rehab

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:18 PM) To me, sure seems like they're trying to raise his price to screw the Mets kinda of machiavelli like ..... if true. i love it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:17 PM) Why not Raburn instead of Pearce? bingo..... i have been waiting for someone to post that, all he has done was to produce in a limited time. i like this.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:12 PM) To drastically improve 2 positions in the lineup. agreed.... with the reasoning.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:09 PM) So I'm just catching up to this thread, but given the Upton signing (money & years), does anyone realistically think the Sox are going to offer 20+M for Cespedes and does anyone actually think the market doesn't indicate he'll get that? for me, i do not know and i wish i can formed an opinion on that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:06 PM) What is the fascination with Lincecum? He has been horrible for 4 years in a big park in the NL, and he is coming off surgery. and you have a point, yr 15, was not too good, maybe b/c of injury.... who knows, but he has been really good. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/linceti01.shtml

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:03 PM) Add Fister and Lincecum to that package and I'd be ok with it. But if the Sox got both Jackson and Pearce, what would happen to Shuck? What about Avi? i would love to take a chance on the bold..... anyone remember britt burns sp ..... he had a really bad hip. so the rehab will continue till middle of june.... according to page on some site talking about his injury, a 1 yr and mutual opt for more.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 04:58 PM) If they lose out on Cespedes, give me Jackson and Pearce and call it an offseason. That's 3.3 fWAR you're adding, better D in CF, and a good platoon option with LaRoche and bat off the bench. if they lose out on cesp.... i will go the jackson rt and then trade.... 2 team needs to rid themselves on 2 cf'ers / of'ers.....

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:44 PM) If this were a different situation I would be more patient but they've botched a rebuild, traded 3 top 10 prospects for 2 players with 2 years of control & now are watching teams in their own division get better. They've made the commitment to go "all in", so they need to carry it out. That's my mindset. and mine as well, but at this point, which is the right course of action. i am saying they HAVE to finish what they started..... on a side note, i still won't over pay by a huge amount. btw, great post.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:41 PM) I would think that it would be either LaRoche or Melky in the mix of 3-4-5. I threw LaRoche in there assuming that he'll rebound somewhat. Hell, if LaRoche hits like he used to AND the Sox sign Cespedes, the offense would be very potent. right.... but i really like melky at #5..... but this is me, JA, #3, TF #4 and melky #5. and i do hope laroche does rebound. but who will be #2????

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:40 PM) Make no mistake, Cespedes makes this team better by a good amount. I would say this is as close to a "must sign" as possible. So what if they overpay for him a bit? They have cost controlled pitched & have great deals on Eaton & Abreu as well. Just make it happen. now watch out, you are now sounding a lot like me, esp in some of my last yrs post. i will admit this. i am indifferent b/c i am not sold on him. i do not know why, that is why will defer to the sox FO. i am guilty of my opinion on this one.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:36 PM) Agreed, unless there is some bizarro contract structure that protects both sides somehow. The Sox have been known to be creative. I just hope he signs somewhere very soon...like today. i wish i remembered..... but someone posted the idea of a 2 yrs guarantee with 2 yrs mutual option. with a buyout of some kind. this would be ideal ..... for me.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 05:35 PM) This is a good way to look at it: Your 3-4-5 hitters could be Abreu, Frazier, LaRoche or Abreu, Frazier, Cespedes. He would make the middle of the lineup so much better. great post. however lets look at this little correction. ref the bold, this is a big assumption for him to come back to a player he once was. the second one is with ceps is something to be in awe of, if all things goes right.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 04:38 PM) Hypothetically, if Cespedes' camp told the White Sox FO that they would accept a deal exactly like Upton's, would the Sox do it? Would you guys as fans be ok with it if they did? a great question, in ref to yrs, no way, but lets say 4 yrs and the same salary..... i just don't know. again i am at a impasse on this, i have stated that before.............. i will have to give way to the sox FO.....