LDF

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:53 PM) Stats don't lie. That's why. and what will be your stats of a good hitter????

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) If the Orioles maybe move Trumbo to the outfield, then possibly them. Don't see any other fits however. excatly...... a very good job on this.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) If this team can't even afford to dump Laroche, they should have traded everybody away instead of "going for it." well i will disagree and only for this reason. my never ending enthusiasm for sox baseball, i was hoping if laroche does not produce in spring training, then, if some fa is out there who can help, can be brought in. thus making the sox eat laroche contract.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) I wonder where Alvarez is going to end up actually. Don't see any teams needing him. great question. i was wondering if Hou with evan gattis... misspell being moved. i have been thinking of this since sunday.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) I think the only reason why some Sox fans (myself included) have started to panic is because Upton just went to a division rival. If he would've went to an NL team or a team outside the division, I don't think the demand for Cespedes would be as high as it is right now. really panic..... i never got the feel of panicking .... i thought it was a great debate. this is what being a baseball fan is all about.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) Makes sense for a team that misses out on them AND has an opening at DH. Alvarez does not play outfield. and you are correct, he does not play any position. except dh.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:41 PM) While probably true, LaRoche isn't going anywhere. but my statement was not meant for the sox, it was, and if you go back, meant for any other team who looses out on upton and cespy..... other options..... and yes... at DH

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:38 PM) I agree. However, it is posters asking to acquire Fowler, not the Sox FO. All of this is risk management. If the FO feels the chances of making the playoffs with Fowler out-weigh the chances of the comp pick being an impact player, they may make the deal. My whole point of this is protecting the future while trying to improve the team. So far I think they have done a good job. A deal for Cespedes that doesn't restrict the team in the future would be good as well. I'm just not convinced that he is the player to whom you give the long term contract. I don't trust his consistency. They will need to take that risk at some point, I just think he is the right player. i think many esp I really think they did a great job, however the sox FO will do what they want to do. we really have no control.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:35 PM) What's funny to me is that some are so focused on the gloom and doom of possibly not signing Cespedes that they forget the Sox got a huge upgrade at 3B and big upgrades at 2B/C. Plus they are still actively searching for an upgrade in the outfield so hope is not lost yet. nice. as the military always says...... adapt and overcome.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) Yes, he's nothing. He's not a good player at all. Low average. Low on base. High strike out. Terrible defensively. He's not a good baseball player. hitting............... i give up on you. typical i should have learned by now.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:33 PM) If they based all of their decisions on what was going on in the minors and also did not want to have a high payroll, we would be looking at an organization that valued acquiring top-level prospects and cost-controlled players. That is not how the white sox front office is operating. Case in point, those making the argument that Fowler is attractive to management because we would not have to pay another 1st round comp. i understand your point and if i can add something.... for discussion sake. the team is in a bad way, the sox need to fix that hole with FA's but when 2 players of similar skils, imo, are avail, one is draft pick protected and the other isn't ..... i would pick the latter.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:30 PM) Here's something to help you http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=3B A 0.2 player in the last 2 years. again lets look at this, this way..... my statement was QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) * ok you caught my attention. what is sooo funny... is he not a very good hitter???? No, he's not. we .... are ..... talking ..... about ..... hitting.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:27 PM) The question was whether you thought he was a good hitter. It has nothing to do with compensation or what the contract details were in that case my bad i was wrong. let me revisit your org question, i wold not be able to really think of that b/c of the draft pick being associated. now, did i think he was a good hitter, no, did i like the move.... not really, b/c of the lost of the draft pick but lets look at that era when org wanted hitter who can hit hrs and did not care about the other stats. that was the era.....

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) No, he's not. here is something to help you... http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/PIT/2015.shtml

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) No, he's not. geeze.... how bout a full statement. so how is not a good hitter, what is your opinion..... stat wise of a good hitter???

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:17 PM) dude, what when the sox signed dunn, the sox lost a draft pick.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:14 PM) LOL JFC ok you caught my attention. what is sooo funny... is he not a very good hitter????

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:13 PM) And they said Micah was the starting 2b on a team supposed to compete for the AL Central in 2015, then shipped him away and you've spent weeks telling me how the White Sox didn't give up much when they gave him up. The idea that we're projecting a 3b who hasn't even seen AA yet with so far a .720 OPS in his minor league career as a key cog in the team the last 2 years before Sale and Abreu hit free agency is ludicrous. and that is my problem in many of my rants, nothing is a guarantee with the minors. yeah it is a good lets see how they develop, but to arbitrarily thinking they will step in and play in the majors. that is why i want to keep investing on the draft.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:07 PM) If the front office does not acquire a clean up hitter, likely for the outfield, then I hope that they do not spend any more money, or make any moves, which would require giving up a draft pick. I'd prefer to simply go with what they have, and see how various players develop, especially Saladino at SS, Avi in the outfield, Rodon, Fullmer and E. Johnson. Hopefully, a couple of Minor Leaguers will take a significant step forward, as well. Given the poor free agent class, next year should be a good environment in which to trade established players for young, cost controlled talent. Teams needing a piece or two, are not going to be able to acquire them in the free agent pool, and will have to go the trade route. That could be an opportunity to go ahead with the "full rebuild". If they are not going to go all in, then why not? That is what many of us argue, and it seems perfectly valid. They are going to lose the little fan base they have, in any case, if they don't finish this "half assed" effort to go for it. In anticipation of next year's poor free agent talent, teams in the playoff hunt, might also be interested in trading, before this years trade deadline. In any case, the opportunities for deals should be numerous. Danks and La Roche will be off the books, Lawrie and Frazier would be good rentals for the right contenders, or could be held one more year, and offered QO's, in order to acquire still more draft picks. Who would you trade next off season, if this scenario were to come to pass? you are forgetting melky's contract unless i am misunderstanding what you posted.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:13 PM) Did you feel that Adam Dunn was a very good bat? that is a 2 sided question. on the first part, i thought it was an intriguing step, but i never thought it was the route to go, i really like my draft picks.... call me selfish but unless some team gives up an arm and a leg, i want the draft picks.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:02 PM) What isn't said in reply is how having Lawrie and Frazier walk in 2 years helps the White Sox "build a team". Through specifically the Frazier move the White sox said bluntly they have a 2 year window before a major offensive piece hits FA. They need to act like that. If they weren't prepared to act like that, then they managed to make their job of "building a team" much more difficult. this is my opinion only, they are more like a stop gap kind or a bridge for when they the FO assume the minor league will start to producing viable players.

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 08:01 PM) It doesn't end the pursuit, just lessens the chances of Cespedes ending up here because all of the suitors for Upton are now going to be looking into Cespedes. also lets not forget another level tier 2 type of player. a very good bat. = Pedro Alvarez

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 07:53 PM) The White Sox are trying to build a team, not build a team around Cespedes. As ive said a few times in this thread already, Cespedes and his demands were not realistic for the Sox in the first place so i never counted on the Sox signing him. Sure i hoped like a few others but never did see a fit. The Sox needed upgrades at 3B and 2B so they went out and traded for the best of what was available. You know as well as the rest of us that the 3B market had little to choose from. Should the Sox have signed Freese instead? Or signed an old veteran like Rollins for SS/2B? Should the Sox have not made those upgrades and rolled with Saladino at 3B, Alexei at SS and Sanchez at 2B? That recipe didn't work in '15 so the Sox had to make changes from what was available on the market and I think they did pretty damn good in their upgrades at 3B/2B. Too many fans are mentally looking at the trades of Lawrie and Frazier being based around the assumption that the Sox would or even could sign Cespedes, a player that has said since last September he was seeking 6/150. Bad assumption... excellent post and many hard questions asked. nice.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:40 PM) The problem is this organization has a history of bizarre self-policies. Are you going to tell not going over slot for years wasn't stupid? I agree for the most part with you, I think there is definitely posturing going on, but a small part of me thinks there is truth to this three year nonsense and it continues to grow with each and every tweet. a nice post and no offense to any... it was really assine in the 90's when the team was loaded...... and only if they invested on 2 players more, instead of this reclamation project the owners kept on putting out there.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 06:36 PM) "What if" we, as Sox fans, had an ownership group that would spend for an Upton or Cespedes. Now that really is dreaming! Maybe the next ownership group will!! LDF, let's hope you and I will see that someday, along with a FO that knows how to build a farm system. oops i forgot, the sox did get lucky once and stumble into a WS win.....l many thanks for lady luck on that one.