LDF

I thikn Ponson is a very good pitcher and would be an awesome addition, because the Sox could sign him and keep him here long term. and this is from a guy who liked royce clayton. ummm

Which one, LDF? Munoz or Stumm? oopps i meant munoz and then i saw your post after. how bout both. can strumm be a starter?

why would the hs player end up on the operating table? that is some huge numbers and i will now think about drafting hs pitchers.

don't get me wrong rex, i am a huge munoz, strumm backer. i just am soooo much concerned about the experimetn or the idea that he is starter material. is he or is he a rp

Hate to say it Murcie, but you off on Stumm on two accounts... First, he was a 1st round pick in 1999 (15th overall) Second, he has been outstanding at Winston-Salem this year. They have been very cautious with him and he has only pitched two full innings twice. He has only had one bad outing (his most recent) and he has only given up runs in four of his 17 outings. He gave up 5 runs in his last outing, taking his ERA from 1.89 to 4.12. This is another situation where looking into a player's numbers can give you a different outlook than just by looking at the numbers alone. The Sox are being very careful to protect their investment with him. I have heard reports that he is the real deal and the only question about him is whether he can stay healthy. It is not out of the question the Sox make him a starter again, after a complete healthy season. Yes, Stumm has had setbacks early on, but the door is far from closed with him. and with that can we envision him as what a front line starter or more like a 3,4,5 pitcher. either way, i would be happy if and when he makes it to the bigs.

you are really starting to piss me off. can't you let me enjoy the moment a little longer.

the funny part was what coop said.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Rick White looks a little like David Wells, so maybe somebody should do a study on the effects of a shaved head and a goatee on proper brain functions. It was Wells who took it upon himself to diagnose Frank Thomas' health problem as a courage problem two years ago, only to find out a few days later that Thomas actually had a torn triceps. Oops. Now the White Sox are dealing with White's public criticism of the way manager Jerry Manuel uses the bullpen. It's bad enough that a middle reliever with a 6.13 earned-run average would pop off about pitchers' roles on the team. But it's absolutely stunning that a struggling veteran would pop off after the Sox had won nine of their last 10 games and before they started arguably their most important series of the season to date. Possible name change: White's Sox. A little controversy can be good for a team, can make it stronger, and perhaps that's what was at work Tuesday night, when the Sox beat Kansas City 9-6 to pull within three games of the first-place Royals in the AL Central. But White's ill-timed comments caused various levels of indignation and indigestion in the clubhouse, depending on the person and the stomach. Before Tuesday's game, White tried to backpedal from comments he made to the Daily Southtown on Sunday that Manuel burns out some of his pitchers, but it was too late. "Now's the time basically we need everybody to just be quiet and go play and pitch and get the job done," said pitching coach Don Cooper, clearly frustrated. "We don't need anything like that. … Believe me, as far as I'm concerned, we have to know where it comes from and move on. We can't let anything distract us, and this won't. "It comes from a guy who seems to be a little angry. The reason why a lot of pitchers haven't been used is simply because the starters have been giving us the bulk of the work. End of story right there." We'll have to wait for White's analysis of the Sox's trade Tuesday. They sent reliever Gary Glover and two minor-leaguers to Anaheim for reliever Scott Schoeneweis and a Triple-A pitcher. As Cooper said, if any pitcher had a right to complain about his role with the Sox, it was Glover, who kept his mouth shut. Relief pitchers are there to serve. That's it. They do what is necessary. A middle reliever complaining about odd working conditions is like a robot complaining about repetitive-motion syndrome. "I know he's going to hear about it," Cooper said. "I know that someone in this clubhouse is going to be saying, 'Hey, pipe down."' This is going to give general manager Ken Williams, Mr. Chilling Effect himself, more reason to tell his team not to utter a discouraging word publicly. And this time he will be right. But try telling that to White. "I was just [saying] what I thought needed to be done to get us over that little step to get us to the playoffs," he said. "When I was saying that the bullpen needs to be run different, I was saying that we need to get Flash [Tom Gordon] and [Damaso] Marte some more time off in between outings so we can have those guys fresh and instead of on the DL come playoff time." The explanation doesn't sound any less incriminating than the original comments. He's criticizing his manager in public, and Manuel, for all his faults, deserves better. Manuel seemed genuinely hurt by White's comments, not because he didn't like the criticism, but because the whole business seemed to be the antithesis of "team." Here the Sox are making a move, and one of his players is starting a grease fire. The Sox looked strong again Tuesday, and the addition of Schoeneweis, who is murder on left-handed hitters, was more good news. It's now 10 victories in the last 11 games for the Sox. The one loss in that span? Brought to you by White, who gave up five earned runs in 21/3 innings against Tampa Bay on Saturday. He gave up a three-run homer to Angel Berroa in the eighth inning Tuesday, and if you believe in cosmic paybacks, then this was one of them. You wondered what White was thinking about as Manuel pulled him. Mostly, you wondered what White had been thinking in the first place. "I have no idea," Cooper said. "Maybe he's honing his skills to be a manager some day." He needs work.

thanks and in that case, i say its way too much. but where is jas on this, he thinks ponson is the second coming of roger clemons.

I think if this team makes the post season......there is no reason not to believe that they cant win it all. LOZ, Mark, and Bart are a nasty three-headed dragon to face, combine that will Garland and this new and improved offense and they can almost be unbeatable. before we win it all.... lets focus on winning the lamest division in baseball.....(although the A.L. Central is getting stronger) I said IF we can find a way to make the playoffs..... sheesh!

ok who is your rumor source. just asking.

Uh, hmmm...well, you think maybe the tricep injury had anything with him struggling maybe? It is always what have you done for me lately 'round these parts. ahhh but i remember his behavioral problem in spring trainig the yr he got his injury. that and the way he was sulking around.

Don't know anything about the Boston guy other then he was a first round pick and has put up solid numbers thus far. I'm assuming he has a high upside but I didnt' really look into the deal. you have to realize something, bos farm system is a little better than stl and balt and la. so they do not have too much. here is from ba his stats. 5. Phil Dumatrait, lhp Age: 22. B-T: R-L. Ht.: 6-2. Wt.: 170. Drafted: Bakersfield (Calif.) JC, 2000 (1st round). Signed by: Ed Roebuck. Background: With the 22nd pick in the 2000 draft, Boston seriously considered Jason Stokes before balking at his $2.5 million pricetag. Instead they took Dumatrait, who blossomed suddenly after not being drafted as a high school senior in 1999, and signed him for $1.275 million. While Stokes is now a top slugging prospect with the Marlins, Dumatrait has become the Red Sox’ top pitching prospect. Strengths: Dumatrait’s plus-plus curveball is the best breaking pitch in the Boston system. The new Red Sox front office values pitchability as well as pure stuff, and Dumatrait has a very good feel for his craft. His fastball is a solid average offering at 89-92 mph. Weaknesses: His curve is an out pitch, but Dumatrait sometimes uses it too much at the expense of his changeup, which needs refinement. He also has to tweak his command after it got away from him a little bit at high Class A Sarasota. The Future: The Red Sox haven’t had a homegrown lefty win in double digits since Tom Bolton in 1990. Dumatrait, who’s headed back to high Class A, is the best hope to end that drought if Casey Fossum can’t.

he is overworked and needed a place to pitch. i think it is a shoo in that munoz is going to make it, it is a question of time. You make a great point about him getting overworked. he pitched a good 100 innings between Birmingham's season....Postseason and winter ball. They were actually talking about making him a starter this year...... Me thinks his arm is a little to weak to do so. Gotta like his Zito-esque curve though.... closer next year???? i think so, but i kinda of question if he is starter material.

i don't know, i just looked up that guy that the red sox gave up to get williamson. i am not impressed. maybe i am too much of a homer on this, but i would consider several of our 2 tier pitchers as being better. jas rex hsc or anyone else, what are your thoughts.

now i am going to question your post in ref to your sanity.

we are getting better with the trades, but so are the red sox, and oak. where do we stand?

he is overworked and needed a place to pitch. i think it is a shoo in that munoz is going to make it, it is a question of time.

for vasquez, i would like to know what the price is.

if you look at it that way, we got remmed. the glover for scott is a wash. the trade was made just for the sake of the trade.

i know what you mean, they should just get a room for the night.

i know i am very intrigue with tofu as well. i know about strumm, i been following him since the sox drafted him. i have been a fan of his since then. i just hope he can make it to the majors.

maybe people are looking for a ray of light in getting taken to the clearance by billy beane. btw jas how can you say that kw is going to be a great gm??????????? are you drunk Because he's willing to make a team better and isn't afraid what the media will think. Look at everyone he's given up and Biddle, Kip and Foulke are about the only ones I can think that are producing at a good level elsewhere. While thats happened Sox have had Marte, Colon, Elo (He admitted it was luck, although Gammons said KW told him when he signed Elo that he could be a sleeper), Alomar, Everett, and I'm sure I'm forgetting quite a few cause I'm tired. I didn't mention prospects he's received or prospects he's given up cause until they reach the majors and produce they are just prospects. yep the adkin for durham, foulke for botch and cotts, the berry/berry, the kipper trades.............. oh yeah i see him being majectical as the great gm of the sox.

cotts is the closest to the majors out of the 2. if they were in the same area of development, i will bet there would be an argument on who should be brought up. honel is going to be, imho better than cotts if he doesn't get hurt again. there is another pitcher i am looking at and that is jason strumm. Stumm is a walking band-aid unfortunately...... but he has pitched this year (pretty avg) outta the pen and thats a good sign. He was a 2nd rd pick I believe and now is atbest a good canidate for a future closer. (Arm has been beatin up) he was a first rounder and yes he has been hurt really bad, but you can't deny his potential and talent. his velo is getting back up to the mid and higher 90's. maybe making him a rp may do the trick.

i honestly think getting a pitcher is the enticement for getting boone off their hands.