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QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:14 PM) Admins and mods do not need to be neutral. You are incorrect about that. I applauded a post that Tony made because he made valid points within the discussion that you were both having. I didnt applaud because he is an admin but because he proved his point by having counter argument after counter argument that basically took the evidence you were presenting for your case to actually support his side of the argument. and i prove my point, the point that i was getting from sports sites, and the talk of the trade of sharp was not only salary related but other personal things as well.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:16 PM) Alright, then the debate is over. That's all you needed to say. You read articles and form opinions from sites and personalities that you have no idea about, or if they are reputable or not. No point in going back and forth with this debate any longer. Sorry for the thread hi-jack guys. and you form opinions on what you want to believe and have the power of the board to back you. right......

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:10 PM) I see $5.9 million worth of smoke, for a team that is still having cap problems. And as for mods/admins, no where does it say they have to not have opinions on debates just because they also give of their free time to keep this board running. That is just silly, and isn't what Soxtalk is about. pls read earlier where this was discuss already. geez. don't you think that was discussed already. you mean soxtalk does not talk about rumors and posters wishful trades or fa's signing???? you mean that every posters thinks the same and have the same opinion??? wow, i was really wrong here. i thought it was to share different opinions and for discussion of sports and sox.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:05 PM) I'm going to break this down real simple for you, let me know if you can follow along. 1. You provided me three links. A Yahoo article, the was sourced from Dan Bernstein and Dave Diehl. We went over that already. That was specifically about a locker room fight. You provided me a RantSports article that was sourced from TerezOwens. Addiontally, it wasn't even about a locker room fight. It was about stuff outside the locker room, and it was a gossip piece. 2. The CBSSports article was about trade rumors that surfaced during the season. In the CBS article, they link to Sportsnet.ca, which IS a respected hockey site, including Elliot Friedman, who is also mentioned. Hey, we are getting somewhere! IN THE SAME ARTICLE, this is what is written: So yes, I do believe a trade was salary cap motivated. The HOCKEY scribe that wrote it seems to agree. 3. Most importantly, you STILL have no provided what I simply asked for. A hockey reporter that wrote and sourced about the locker room fight. You claimed reporters were asked to leave. People saw it. Please show me these reports. That is ALL I'm asking for. ref to the first bold, i still don't know who they are and were they are reputable or not. i just read the sport links. again in ref to gossip piece, what do you expect when players and org are going to do, how spin doctor it..... no that may too much for you to understand. how dare they not tell the whole truth to the main group of fans. so you chose to believe what you want, b/c how can it be different. to me, i am thinking that everything is too close to each other that that there was a spark that trigger everything. and yes, i do believe there is a whole lot of spin doctioring that it being done. so unless you or and one who needs to see first hand, i will listen to the sports links and take it with a grain of salt.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:57 PM) Sorry that you are offended but he completely proved his point in a far better way then I could have done. He proved a point to not only you but a lot of others that have beliefs off of hearsay and rumors and go about there business as if it is fact. sure, a lot of players or people will admit that happen. if it didn't how come the players are not suing those who were quoted for defamation of character. there are a lot of proof that this reporter or that reporter are saying this. any way, why do i need to keep score if i proved my point to sway other posters.... what will that get me??? but being classy and neutral in all things, is what a admin and mod have... or to up hold a class act.... which i am not seeing in well i will leave it here. you can answer this any way you want. where there is smoke there is fire.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:33 PM) CLAP............CLAP.................CLAP.............CLAP.........CLAP......CLAP.......CLAP...CLAP. ..CLAP,CLAP,CLAP,CLAP,CLAP,CLAP,CLAP,CLAP. nice high standards that admin and mods have to show the class they have. bravo.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:27 PM) See, this is why you make me want to rip my hair out. You gave me a Yahoo article. Did you even read it? It was an article on rumors that have surfaced around the Blackhawks. Where did the rumors start? HE CITES THEM as Dan Bernstein and Dave Diehl. Your RantSports article above also isn't reporting anything, and quoting a source from TerezOwens. And if you are basing fact off of TerezOwens, then your belief in reality is a lot farther off than I originally believed. I don't know if a fight happened or not. There has been nothing reported by anyone that has any credibility in the hockey world. My point in this is you consistently take rumor as fact, when a few of us are trying to show that isn't always the case. you can cherry pick all you want. first you said he, sharp was traded due to a salary cap, then in all the links, it mentioned that the hawks were trying to trade him then, not after the SC win. from only 3 links you are talking about 1 link. classy....

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:06 PM) By reporters, you mean Dan Bernstein and Dave Diehl? Find me a true hockey reporter that confirmed or even documented this locker room fight, and I'll say I was wrong. i will be back tonite. i gotts to go.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:20 PM) http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey...t-personal-life look at the date http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2015/03/03/c...an-keiths-wife/ look at the date.... should i continue???

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:19 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-dad...-195228660.html look at the date. http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey...t-personal-life look at the date

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:17 PM) just to keep this straight, are you saying that fight never happen??? http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-dad...-195228660.html look at the date.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:15 PM) You didn't answer my question, at all. Find me an actual hockey site, or even a general sports site, that reported on this fight, that didn't go back to Dan Bernstein (local Chicago radio host that has an awful reputation) or Dave Diehl, a retired NFL player with no connection to the Blackhawks. You mention TSN, ESPN, ect for sites you go to. Find me where they had confirmation of this fight that you are convinced happened. It's a simple request. just to keep this straight, are you saying that fight never happen???

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:08 PM) I can't imagine a team playing together for any part 82 games and there not being some discord in the locker room. you are correct, one of the biggest hate between players were darryl sutter and terry ruskowsk, b/c of a fight with one of sutter's brothers.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:12 PM) Correct. But my question still stands for LDF. which question about the score rpt'ers????

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:06 PM) By reporters, you mean Dan Bernstein and Dave Diehl? Find me a true hockey reporter that confirmed or even documented this locker room fight, and I'll say I was wrong. with all due respect. but are those guys on the score or some local sports radio..... i live in LA and do not get them. but i was talking about TSN, espn, cbs and other sites i go to for sports info. but on who is right or wrong, if no one takes it personal, and i have to constantly remind myself this, it is a discussion.... i will also admit when i am wrong as well.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:04 PM) But has only orchestrated 2. It's fantastic, no doubt, but let's be real. That team was built (by Dale Tallon) to win one, but Stan added two more. ref the bold, you are correct, but lets not forget, he was in the fo helping in scouting and all that, so he may also have had his fingers in the players that the hawks drafted.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:01 PM) I do not, because it may or may not have happened. so the reporters who saw it, the ones who rpt it, are fabricating it. right........

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:54 PM) Lmao you cannot state fact and then follow that with a rumor! The fact of this discussion is you are stating that Sharp was traded because of the problems with keith and sharp, and that is where I completely disagree with you. again i will say this, you can choose to accept what rumors is meaningful to you and your state of reasoning. but if you accept one rumor, whether it is now, or the past or the future, then you can not exclude any other rumors. what do you want. the press the org to come out and say that happen...... come on. i am done with this.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:49 PM) I don't know why I continue to go down this road, but I do. You realize in all your great cap breakdowns, you seem to always leave out the huge pay raises Kane and Toews received in 2015 that forced the Blackhawks to move players. You take whatever fits your narrative in your head, and try to make it work. You seem to love reading message boards and stories, go back and look when Toews and Kane originally signed their extensions, it was already widely expected Sharp would be one of the first cap casualties, due to his age and salary requirements. Saad was the shocking one. that was already taken into consideration ..... since you mention that cap, subtract the money including AA contract the new contract, and see how that adds up. the Toews and Kane contract were sign and known of before the playoff. next your discussion of it was expected that sharp had to go.... due to salary. remember the fight in the locker room was after a game when sport writes of different site were there and were quickly escorted out. so yeah, it is really plausible / likely that the FO knew he, sharp had to go. they the hawks valued keith more than sharp. ref Saad, that was totally unexpected and before that, knowing after the SC parade, something is really going to chg.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:33 PM) You keep bringing rumors and innuendo into the discussion. Before last season even started they were saying it was very likely Sharps last season with the Hawks because of the cap. Even right now after Saad and Sharp were traded, the Hawks are right up against the cap. It was not realistic to keep him, they didn't trade him because he did or did not f*** Keith's wife, they traded him because they could not afford him. and this whole site is for rumors, innuendo's and discussions. as i said before, no one on any org is going to admit it, at least now. btw, what will it take for you to understand that a rumor, is what many sports site deal with, and yet, you have no problems with that. you have the luxury of sitting back and pick and chose what you chose to accept. fact, during the season, it was rpt on a news paper or sports site of a fight between sharp and keith, what spilled out was rumors of a wife have an affair and what is known is keith divorce his wife due to some reason.. the hawks didn't want to discuss nothing of it. when saad was traded, the hawks had some room to play with. Artem Anisimov at the time of the trade was making 3,283 mil and then stan resign him to the tume of 4,550 mil. more that 1,2 mil more. if everything taken into consideration, if that bs in the lockroom didn't happen, the hawks would have been able to make it work. you can not sit here and pick and choose and say this is the results, look at everything at the time of the trade and player movement.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:17 PM) Hey, don't let the reality of the salary cap ruin your day. Just curious, say no rumors of a locker room fight or affair happened, would the Blackhawks be able to keep Sharp on the team? on a friendly discussion. there are other factors at play. and i hate to go this route but really poor planning and maybe just an unrealistic request for a rtn on bickell. but lets also that another look at something that also happen, the Saad trade and not only the reasons, but what they go in rtn, plus resigning to AA to a new contract. now take all that, imo lets forget about all the other BS locker room stuff, the hawks would have been in a better position to deal with it. getting Artemi Panarin was not only a life saver but it prob help stan on all the negative stuff that was coming from TSN hockey site. i don't know, but with Saad gone, the salary cap st a lot different looking at the time.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 07:37 PM) Here we go! Maybe Kylo will make a different decision this time!!!!! i can see the whole discussion going off on different paths.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 09:15 PM) I've heard that The Jazz Singer is the bee's knees, fella! Hop in your jalopy and skedaddle down to the cinema post-haste! i hate to say this, but that is funny.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 08:47 PM) So the salary cap isn't a likely reason but a rumored affair by sharp with Keith's wife is a probable reason? oh but don't let that burst your bubble ..... don't let something like the locker room fight they had..... sway your opportunity to get a dig on someone. that may ruin your day.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 08:49 PM) And neither do you. We have two things to go off of. What some AWFUL site like SportsMockery ran with, or what both Keith and Sharp said about the situation, including Sharp AFTER he was traded to Dallas, and still texting with Seabrook and Keith. I'll choose to believe the latter. But you choose to believe whatever you want. and i am soooo glad you can point out the obvious on this one, i was soo worried someone will be needed to explain it to you. i will explain this to you. obvious they will say all positive stuff after the trade. what is sharp going to do or say, yeah i did the big nasty with keith wife and cause their divorce?? all the while being happily married???? a real capt obvious. come and think about this.... now the other part is your opinion, like mine and anyone else will be a subjective opinion and only the real party will know the truth. so think what you want. btw, i don't visit sports monkey to tell you the truth, i don't remember hearing about it until a month ago on this site.