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QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 22, 2005 -> 12:56 AM) I think we are fine with Orton/Grossman battling it out for the starting job next season and Blake as the 3rd string. Than if neither Grossman or Orton emerges Im thinking Grossman wont be brought back and we go for 1 of Brady Quinn or Marcus Vick. And both of those QB's in my mind are better prospects than Matt Leinart. Forget about Grossman. He'll slip on a banana peel or something and miss 4-6 weeks of the season right off the bat.

They're gonna get another good test against Tampa next weekend. Lets see if the D can deliver again against another quality NFC South team.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 22, 2005 -> 01:10 AM) He should be de-frocked and excommunicated. Then all records should be transfered to the criminal authorities for prosecution. The church should protect the victim and not the perverted mope who gets his kicks using his office and position of trust to hurt the innocent. They wont, of course. They'll do everything in their power to stall the investigation and delay justice for this sicko. The Catholic Church, these days, has far more to confess to than any of its parishoners do.

If you factored raping shopping mall dummies into things then Sioux Falls just shot to the top of the list.

QUOTE(ChWRoCk2 @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) hey shut the f*** up, my team the packers are playin, and r gonna win and will catch the bears Packers are 2-7 going into the game tonight..... Bears are 7-3...... You...... are........ on...... CRACK!

Death is not an option.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 06:49 PM) It's child abuse to allow a kid to watch the Bears' offense. OMFG HAHAHAHA That was priceless.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051121/ap_on_...priest_arrested f***ing savages.

Thanks you ass... you made me laugh so hard I spit iced tea all over my laptop. :finger LOL!

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) Wolfowitz telling us we would be greeted like the liberators of France. We were.........I was there and I saw it for myself. In my view we squandered the goodwill generated by the removal of Hussein by allowing our lack of a plan to sink the country into chaos in the months after the invasion ended. QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) After the Iraqi army melted away, it became clear that we had no coherent plan to build a nation while fighting urban guerrilla warfare. Rummy had surrounded himself with yes-men who supported his vision of a new military. The Bush administration s***-canned General Shinseki when he spoke the truth before a congressional committee about the real numbers of troops that would be required to do the job properly. I agree. My first few weeks in Baghdad we didn't know what to do, who was in charge or what was coming next. We basically acted as a sort of 911 force roaming around looking for problems and trying to help whoever we could. The Iraqi civillian institutions ( police, fire, medical.....etc etc........were non-existant) QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) It doesn’t take tactical genius on the home front for wives to know that when their 50 year old husbands in the Reserves are having to ship out to Iraq for second and third tours that something bad is happening with our formerly shining volunteer military. Despite getting the equivalent of a knee scrape from 2 years of insurgency, the US military has never been in better shape. Our forces are now nearly universally battle hardened and have far better training and equipment than they had just 3 years ago. QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) Rep. Murtha’s call for an immediate withdrawal allowed for six months to get the bulk of it done with ready-response troops withdrawn to perimeter locations. That gives all those opposed to that quick a timetable to “compromise” on something between now and less than a year. And that is what I think will happen. Once again.........agree.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 01:16 PM) How many teams right now have an established QB? Quarterbacks are extremely hard to come by. This years draft will feature 1 big name QB for sure in Leinert and possibly another in Young. After that you have a guy like Omar Jacobs from Bowling Green who's another level or 2 below those 2. Below Jacobs you have Darrell Hackney (UAB), Jay Cutler (Vandy), Reggie McNeal (T A&M) and Brode Croyle. This draft isn't all that deep at the QB position much like most drafts. Plus drafting a QB means you have to wait atleast another year for them to develop before he could even start playing, so we set this team back another year. This years draft as of right now should focus around a TE, WR, OL, LB and a DB. The QB position should be filled through Free Agency, not going back into the draft. Depending on where we go in the draft will obviously affect who we can target but from the TE side we could be looking at a Vernon Davis (Maryland) if we get a pick in the mid to late 20's unless of course Marcedes Lewis (UCLA) falls to us then he'd be an amazing pick (though this will not happen, he'll be a top 12 pick more than likely). This is also assuming that Vernon Davis comes out and doesn't opt to go back to college for his senior year, if he did go back we could be looking at Leonard Pope (Georgia) in the 1st. Thinking about WR, I'm assuming Santonio Holmes will be going in the top 15 so he'll be off the board, so if you're going to go for a WR in this very weak WR draft the Bears would be better off waiting until the 2nd round and shooting for a guy like Martin Nance (Miami OH) who's a big, physical WR with great leaping ability and athletisim but only average speed. It seems like the '06 draft as of right now will be filled with late round sleepers as opposed to the big name 1st-2nd round can't miss guys. I said addressed......whether its by free agency or by getting a stud from college ( one that doesn't have a glass jaw like Grossman ) doesn't matter to me.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 04:56 PM) Are you announcing your candidacy?? LOL! That would take them from a dying breed to a completely DEAD breed.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 04:36 PM) And I think 2 Iraqi to one Nuke may be an understatement Maybe 3:1? I bet you we end up there before the end of 2006.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) And I think they are too... just not with some magical date that you all want. There will be a phased withdrawal throughout the course of 2006. If there are more than 50-70'000 troops there at the time of the US midterms Id be utterly shocked. Bush will pull out troops next year......book it. For no other reason than if he doesn't have a significant withdrawal to point to come the mid terms the Republicans are gonna take a pasting on par with the one they dished out in 1994.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 04:09 PM) I'm going to need a Bible verse to back up that statement. Or some other moral source from which you are justifying that statement. . . Actually, if you study the Old Testament the Hebrew people were perpetrating some world-class evil against their neighbors, backed by God of course. Of course if you sicced Old Testament God on us he'd have us wiped out for allowing the religous freedoms we do. Back on topic though. We train people who attend SOA in counter-insurgency tactics so they can go home and train their own people. If a few of them abuse that training there's really nothing we can do about it. As Ive said every time he brings this up: I think LCR is more angry about the fact that their training is used against narco's and neo-communists down there than anything else.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 09:43 AM) Exactly. And how America can balance that and pay a wage that allows the individual to live in some decent housing and have a decent standard of living when 2/3 rds of the world population does not have running water in their homes and would see $2 per hour as a huge step up. Thats why you have guys like Sen Schumer calling for tarriffs and protectionist legislation ( so much so that he was ridiculed as Sen "Smoot" Schumer on CNBC ). Of course we all know what happened the last time we tried that. Honestly I don't know where the happy medium is here but a lot of people are going to be made UN-happy in finding it.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 09:39 AM) That is partially correct, but if you go through a modern manufacturing plant, you will see fewer and fewer people. The cost of labor is a much smaller percentage than generations ago. What drives some companies over seas are lax labor laws, easier environmental regulations, toe hold in other markets, looser intellectual property rights, and yes, people willing to work cheaper. I guess the best way to say it is to talk about the total cost of doing business.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 09:32 AM) Sounds like a great place for breaking and entering . . . BTW, I remember looking at crime stats for McAllen before moving here and being aghast at the number of petty thefts. Then I compared it to cities I lived and found out Vernon Hills had an even higher rate of theft. Schaumburg was equally huge. Northbrook? Same thing. Theft rates off the charts. Then I figured out it was shop lifting at the malls. So it's almost always the information behind the stats and the methodology that determines what the study really tells us. Not some chart and brief synopsis from a reporter. Thats why I prefer to look at violent crime when determining how safe a community is. People shoplifting a handbag from Nordstrom doesn't really affect me personally at all.

I will say though, that GM royally f***ed up. They bet the farm on big SUV's and they got roasted when the price of fuel went through the roof the last 2 years and people just stopped buying them. Now they're playing a mean game of catchup with foregin automakers and losing a bunch of marketshare as a result.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 09:28 AM) What's that about a blind dog finding an acorn once in a while? It is a very tough issue. What good is manufacturing something in the US that costs more and people won't buy it? Thats another thing that makes me laugh about people who complain the most about American jobs leaving and the employment practices of certain countries. They are all high and mighty about railing about corporations moving jobs overseas but if you bring all the jobs back here and jack up the price of a standard TV set to 800 bucks and make a DVD player cost 5-600 we'll see how long that lasts. You can't have cheap goods without cheap labor and the sooner people realize its a give and take proposition the better.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 09:23 AM) I was also thinking about the GOP being the tough on crime, law and order, capitol punishment, etc. I think it has more to do with what all those places have in common as opposed to who's in charge. Its called...............drum roll please..........MONEY.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 12:21 AM) This year two guys I think would be good candidates are Nathan Chandler (TE of the Hawkeyes) and Solomon (WR of the Hawkeyes). I think both will be mid round to late round draft picks and both have some skills. Chandler is a good athlete (maybe he'll go in the 3rd round) and Solomon had some injuries earlier in the year but probably has 2nd round potential although I doubt he'll go that high. Fasano at ND would be another great candidate but I think he'll go early 2nd while Maurice Stovall has definately seen his stock rise and he's probably a mid to late 2nd rounder. This team is just screaming for a real quarterback. Thats what we need to address.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 07:49 AM) I honestly was gone all weekend from any news sources, but is it better for the debate to post what Bush is saying, or to post what other posters are not saying? It appears that Bush Backers are now resorting to attacking the other posters and not defending Bush. That is sadder to me than Bush Bashers not posting his latest remarks. HUH? :rolly Im the king of the Bush Backers and who have I attacked recently over comments about Bush?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 09:06 AM) I remember listening to Jesse Jackson when he was running for President a couple decades ago say (paraphrasing) the threat to American workers is not foreign companies competing here, it is American companies moving their jobs to foreign countries. This was during the foreign car invasion and other "threats" to our workers. It proved to be a very true statement. Funny how he could call that so well. Of course his solution of making them pay higher corporate taxes would just open the door a little wider for them to leave.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 08:52 AM) I'm guessing Jesus kicks the crap out of the guy No. Instead of 72 virgins hes gonna get himself 72 horny fat dudes named Bubba. WELCOME TO HELL b****!!!