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QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've got an even tougher question for you guys. Who the hell do you take out of LJ, LT and Alexander with the #1 pick in fantasy? It is easily LJ in my opinion. Shaun Alexander lost Hutchinson. I have had LT for 2 straight years and he hurt me in the playoffs/championship both times. He wears down towards the end of the season and has pathetic games. Larry Johnson is an absolute stud and like another poster said, he had 1400 yards and 13 TDs in 9 games last year. I don't care that he lost Roaf because from all accounts Turley has looked very good.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Moss definitely had a down year last season, but I wouldn't call 2004 one. For one, he still scored 13 touchdowns. Two, he wasn't 100% for a good chunk of the year. He missed 3 games, missed most of two others where he had no catches, and was still somewhat limited when he came back. That's kind of like calling Owens' 2005 as a down year because he got suspended. I'm leaving him in the top 5 because unless he's lost a step, he's the most physically gifted of the group. Oh, I am not trying to change your mind Zoom. You are entitled to your opinion. I understand and respect that and you make good points. He, had a really good year in 2004 until he was hurt. He has not been the same since that injury. He was also selfish that year. The reason he started those 2 games that he had no catches in was because he had a consecutive game streak going that he didn't want stopped. So he would go out there and be a decoy for a quarter or a half and then come out. Plus he will never go over the middle and always tries to get out of bounds or just falls down. That irks me. He is a remarkable talent and if he can get his head straight and his body in shape then he will show that. If he doesn't then he won't. Terrell Owens was having a great year and then was suspended. He didn't play in another game and never had a chance to come back from it. I know how you are trying to compare the two, but they aren't exactly the same. They aren't even the same type of athletes or players. Terrell Owens wants to be the best every single time he is out there. Randy Moss makes it seem as if he couldn't care less. I still put Holt, C Johnson, Owens, Fitzgerald, and Steve Smith ahead of Moss, but Moss would be my 6th.

QUOTE(BobDylan @ Aug 9, 2006 -> 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What a worthless thread. That is a personal attack against the creator of this thread. I think a suspension is in order. This site can not allow this to keep going on. If this person thinks it is so worthless, then why is he she reading it and posting in it? QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 9, 2006 -> 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And what was the worst managerial decision of the night, pitching to ARod with first base open in a 5-0 game. If the Sox are getting so screwed by the umpires, why is Ozzie just sitting in the dugout? Instead of seeing our pitchers continue to stare down the umpires and possibly lose focus, we need Ozzie and Cooper to go out there and stick up for his players. I'm not a fan of managers getting tossed, but this team seems to be getting very frustrated with the umps. Can't argue balls and strikes. Can't even mention it without getting the boot. Both sides were getting very frustrated with the home plate ump tonight. Garland got squeezed and later in the game Randy Johnson was getting squeezed. It seemed as if sometimes the ump would call the high strike and then he wouldn't. It was a very wierd strike zone tonight.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Aug 9, 2006 -> 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So, I thought we were talking about the best receivers in the league, I didn't see the part where it said "the best receivers in the league over the last two years". Yes Hines belongs on the list. Hines last 5 years, 1,098 yards Fitzgeralds two years, 1,095 yards. Smiths 3 healthy years, 1,182 Neither Larry or Steve come anywhere close to blocking as well as Hines. Hines plays in a run dominated offense and helps pave the way for top 5 rushing clubs each year. He hasn't played in an open offense since 02-03 when he also happened to average 1246 yards and 11 TD's. Holt has played in "the greatest show on earth" his entire career, but belongs in the top 5 easily. Owens has put up great numbers regardless of the QB, and I can see his place. Chad Johnson now has enough of a track record to say he belongs as well. After that, it's very sketchy. You can say Steve Smith was the best receiver in the league last year, but doesn't have the track record of Moss, Hines, Marvin Harrison, and is even comparable to guys like Santana Moss, Rod Smith, and Derrick Mason. Same with Fitgerald and Boldin in Arizona, not enough track record. You can put Holt, Owens, and Johnson there safely, and Randy still has the talent, good QB, and is healthy again and will put up over 1,200 yards, 10 TD's, I guarantee it. The rest are very arguable. Now that really isn't a fair comparison is it? Lets compare fair numbers. Hines Ward's first 3 years in the league his combined numbers were 1556 yards and 11TDs. Larry Fitzgerald's 2nd year in the league alone he had 1409 and 10 TDs. He is better than Hines Ward was in his second year. He is better than Hines Ward at the moment. Steve Smith's first 3 years he had 2136 yards receiving and 10 TDs. He is better than Hines Ward was at that point in his career and he is better than him now. Just because they have not played in the league for many years does not mean that they are not better. That is a truly ridiculous statement to make. Thomas Jones, Cadillac Williams, and Ronnie Brown are AT THIS MOMENT better RBs than Curtis Martin and Corey Dillon at this moment. Do they have the same track record as they do? HELL NO. But they are better. Track record is really a meaningless point to bring up. Give me the last 2 to 3 years of a player or compare them at certain points in their career. Harrison is sliding each year. I will take Fitz and Steve Smith over him if I was starting a team today. No doubt. I would take both over Moss as well. Since when is Aaron Brooks a good QB? Since when? Do you mean Andrew Walter? If so, then where is his track record. I will agree he can be good and will most likely be better than Brooks is and ever was, but that is a big assumption to make. Plus I really doubt Moss is healthy. The past 2 years tell me he can't stay healthy and he doesn't take care of himself. I say it is a no brainer that Fitz and Steve Smith belong in today's top 5. 2 or 3 years ago Moss and Harrison were in it. Not any longer. Hines Ward was never in it. He never had top 5 WR talent or an offense to take advantage of the talent he did/does have. QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 9, 2006 -> 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Culpepper is going to start game 1. I am not doubting you, but I will believe it when I see it. Plus Culpepper didn't look very good without Randy Moss and Scott Linehan. I have my doubts about how good he actually is. He was a pro bowler in the same exact system with the same exact players that made Jeff George, Randall Cunningham at age 35, and Brad Johnson look great. None of them proved to be great away from that afterwards. So I think Culpepper is a system QB, especially after his big time struggles last year. I am not as optimistic about his future as you guys are. Nor am I excited if I am a Chris Chambers fan that this guy is throwing to him.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Aug 9, 2006 -> 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with what Ozzie is saying about McCarthy being thought of Cy Young, especially amongst the fans around here. And I also wouldn't put McCarthy in the rotation either simply because it's rather late and it's kind of a shot to the team's "leader" or one of them. I also agree with that. Actually, I agree with every single thing Ozzie said. I don't have a problem with it at all. I think others will take one quote out of context and make it a huge big deal/tragedy, but I don't think he said one thing that isn't true.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Aug 9, 2006 -> 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Moss' demise is overexaggerated. Even in 2004 when he only had 767 yards, he still had 13 TD's. Last year playing with Kerry Collins, he only had 60 catches, but still managed over 1,000 yards again. Here's Randy's average professional season. 1268 yards, 12.25 TD's, 16 yards per catch. Randy will have a real QB throwing him the ball this year and other receivers that can take double coverages away from him. Randy belongs in the top 5, as does Torry Holt, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, and Hines Ward. Hines has averaged 1,098 yards the past 5 years, with 8.2 TD's a year and dominating blocking to help the run game. He has never been in a high flying offense, yet puts up a thousand each year including the tough catches and yards, and is the best blocking WR in the game. Randy Moss' last 2 years does not match the top 5 receivers in the game and definitely does not match up with Torry Holt, Chad Johnson, or Terrell Owens. No way does Hines Ward make it ahead of Terrell Owens, Larry Fitzgerald, or Steve Smith. He is a great blocker for a WR, but that does not make him a top 5. Hines Ward is good, but not top 5. 1098 yards receiving over 16 games is not that great and does not put him in the top 5. Sorry. Aaron Brooks is not a real QB. He may be worse than Kerry Collins if that is possible. QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 9, 2006 -> 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Chris Chambers and Larry Fitzgerald will both be top 5 wr's this year. Fitz will. Chambers is possible, but Culpepper won't be back until midway possibly. You trust Joey Harrington getting him the ball?

I'll say (1) Palmer, (2) P. Manning, (3) Brady, (4) Hasselbeck, (5) Delhomme

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Aug 9, 2006 -> 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't really watch the Raiders, so I can't really comment on the speed. However, I don't think you can definitely make judgements based on one season, just like I don't think you can definitively say that Steve Smith is #1 right now because of a great year last year. He still had over a thousand yards and 8 TDs. Consistency is the key. Right now I'd say the top 5 in no particular order is Moss, Harrison, Johnson, Boldin and Owens. Torry Holt just misses, and Larry Fitzgerald and Steve Smith can solidy a spot with another solid year. Antonio Gates also probably belongs in the discussion. Moss' last 2 seasons have been mediocre, not consistent at all. He had 767 yards and 13 TDs in 2004 and 1005 yards and 8 TDs in 2005. Before that he was awesome. If you want consistency look at Torry Holt's last 3. 1696 and 12 TDs in 2003, 1372 and 10 TDs in 2004, and 1331 and 9 TDs last year. This year he will have Scott Linehan calling the plays, which may suit him even better than Martz. There has not been a better more consistent WR than Torry Holt over the past 3 seasons. Chad Johnson and Terrell Owens are right up there with him. But definitely not Boldin or Moss. I wouldn't even include Harrison in the same category as Torry Holt. He has been good, but not Torry Holt/Terrell Owens/Chad Johnson good. Plus to include Antonio Gates would be determined on what kind of list this is. If it is any position that catches passes then I agree he belongs, but then so does Brian Westbrook. If it is a list of WRs, then he doesn't belong because he is a TE. My top 5 WRs would be (1) Torry Holt (2) Terrell Owens (3) Chad Johnson (4) Larry Fitzgerald (5) Steve Smith The second tier is where you will find Moss, Boldin, and Harrison, not in this top 5. Boldin may replace someone after this year, but not now. Harrison has seen better days and no longer belongs there. Moss is a head case, who knows about him.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I prefer to dwell on the positives; Nate Robertson Post ASB - 6.86 ERA Kenny Rogers Post ASB - 10.97 ERA Jeremy Bonderman Post ASB - 4.56 ERA Lucky for them, Verlander has won 3 of his starts, and Miner continues to float above water. I like it. Hopefully Verlander hits a wall soon. He has never came close to pitching this many innings before.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I didn't realize Hawk Harrelson posted on this board. Hmmm, neither did I. Nor did I know that Chicken Little posted on here.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First of all, there's a bunch of bad grammar in there. Second, calling people girly boys is a personal attack. That usually constitutes a suspension. I didn't see a specific name in there to qualify it as a personal attack. Nor did I see him quote anyone directly. I am not very clear on the rules however. QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I liked it better when you did it. A 5 year grace period? I just...I don't even know. How sweet. Thank you.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What? He basically called you out along with everyone else with your way of thinking.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Could we have beaten that deal for Linebrink? Two proven pieces of spiff? I would hope so. I don't know why we couldn't have.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> its not "official" but it goes like this: Pirates get: Xavier Nady Padres get: Oliver Perez, Heath Bell Mets get: Roberto Hernandez, Scott Linebrink So the Mets get Roberto Hernandez and Scott Linebrink for Xavier Nady and Heath Bell? Bell is a piece of spiff anyway, so who cares. YOu have to be kidding me. Why would the Padres help out a National League contender? They got two pieces of crap in Heath Bell and Oliver Perez. Jesus!!!!!

What are the Padres doing? That is ridiculous. I know they used to have Perez, but why would they make this trade? That just seems really silly to me.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since you just love to compare things to last year, yes it is. To be fair, comparing anything to last year is moronic. Nonetheless, we don't have a playoff spot right now. Who said anything we aquire would not be special? And why think positively when we stood put while our main competition(who already holds a lead on us) made the biggest splash at the dealine? I don't get it. Our record is horrible this year? How so? Please tell me how that is possible. We play in the toughest division in baseball and we are 19 games above .500. That is only 7 games worse than last year. It is not as good as last year, but please, it is not close to horrible. who made the biggest splash? Yanks? Is Bobby Abreu really that great and what they needed? They already had a strong lineup. Corey Lidle is nothing great - average at best. All we had to do was take on the salaries. You wanted to do that? OK fine. They are only a half game up on us. That is a huge lead and I hae no idea how we will possibly overcome that. What did you want to acquire that would have been special that was a realistic possibility? Please tell me. Thank you.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No but we aren't the front runners to get a spot in the post season. We had some holes to fill and did nothing to address them. what holes? LF leadoff spot? Who were we going to get to fill the rotation or fill a bullpen spot? I think our bullpen is set. I think we have everything we need in house. If they want to switch things up that is up to them.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We had the best record in baseball. ok? and our record is horrible this year? QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's different when you currently don't have a play-off spot, as opposed to last season when we were in 1st place the entire year. It is? In what way? We are forced to overpay for something not so special? Why? We have a good team. A playoff caliber team. Just settle down and thing positively. We are out of a playoff spot by a half game. It will be ok.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah, KW and OG are pretty naive to think that this team can still win it all. We have two average pitchers and three spiffty pitchers, while the Twins have two superstars, 1 average and two spiffty (but Garza is on the way,) while Detroit has one stud, thee above-average and one average. Both teams also have better pens than ours, so basically we are screwed. Did you say the same thing last year when all we did was get Blum? And again when Cleveland was catching us? THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ass-nines!!!! asinine!!!! QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If they add a reliever either they go with 12 pitchers and a position player gets dropped, or they send down McCarthy and stretch him out. Which makes sense, then you bring him up assuming he does ok vs. AAA hitters which I'd suspect he would. And you give one of these other guys a rest ... physical or mental or both, 15 day DL. I am just a fan, but to my eyes Garcia is fatigued, Buehrle is fatigued, and Vazquez is mentally messed up. I agree with the whole last part Jim. There are a lot of ifs in the first part to make this realistic.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> truly yes, truly

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We want to get Vazquez and his high paycheck out of Chicago. Not to mention BMac hasn't been showing a "great arm" out of the pen this year. He's probably our second to worst reliever. So he has shown a not so great arm this year in the pen? I can see why you want him to start. Don't base it on last year. If that was the case then our rotation is set and we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. In fact McCarthy didn't pitch well at all until August of last year. He was horrible as a starter until we needed him in August. He was horrible with the Sox earlier in the year as a starter. So what exactly are you basing this on? His stats from August-September? That is why you want him in the rotation? Maybe he will be even better this year out of the pen starting tomorrow. Who knows!?!?! QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, he is better in the rotation than in the pen. He is a starter. Ass-nines. based on last year's starts? Based on last year's stats our whole rotation was better. asinine.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Great arm=4.17 ERA? BMAC is a good starter, better than Vaz. Taking him out of the pen and putting him into the rotation improves the entire staff. So then you want to take that 4.17 ERA arm and place him in the starting rotation? That improves the starting staff when he has a 4.17 ERA when he only throws a couple innings at the most per outing? You are making a case against BMAC and then want him in the starting rotation at the same time. Asinine.

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There are several guys in our system capable of emulating BMacs performance from the bullpen. (Tracey) Then why are we looking for bullpen help and why did we go out and get bullpen help if we have several arms in the system that can replace a great arm like BMac's in the pen? How does that make sense?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So Oliver Perez for Xavier Nady is apparently in talks or done. Can't figure out which. It is done. The Mets made a boo boo. THis was a very dumb move if you ask me. Oliver Perez has sucked ass for about 2 years now. They do get Roberto Hernandez as well. I recall Lloyd McClendon talking about his arm last year and saying how he has to start to learn how to pitch because he no longer has a power arm. Here is why they made the deal: Duaner Sanchez seperates his shoulder. QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> BMAC in the rotation +bag of balls > Vaz more clear? No it really isn't and you are making no sense at all. In fact I think it is an idiotic statement to make for the reasons I already mentioned. Who replaces BMAC in the rotation. I don't believe you are thinking this all the way through.