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Who can forget the man who began the evolution of the hockey-style catchers helmet: Charlie O'Brien

Pedro Lopez was a member of last years team. What will the reaction be if he doesn't make the team next year? Seriously though, I loved the 2005 team and will remember them forever. But being sentimental is a terrible policy when it comes to running a baseball team. I realize that some were attached to the players on last years team...I'm with you there. Hell, it hurt me when Geoff Blum left. But in the end, while I know its cliche (too drunk to find the correct spelling), I root for the name on the front of the jersey and not the one on the back. And to me, it seems quite obvious that KW significantly upgraded the team. And if Thome, Vazquez and Mackowiak perform to their capabilities, I will like them every bit as much as I liked the guys we just sent packing, if not more. The great teams never rest on their laurels. In a perfect world, the 2005 guys would all come back and win it all again. But in the real world of baseball, you have to keep making yourself better, no matter how good you are. Its as simple as that. Either way, its not like we've completely dismantled the team. Most of the guys will be back. And if they win, which they have a better chance of doing IMO, it won't take you long to warm up to them.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan13 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 07:08 PM) Do we have any sources for this besides some random guy? If not, I call baloney. Common! It was Ralph Malph for Christ sake!

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 07:05 PM) Hank Blalock also has a higher average, higher on base percentage, double the walks, 30 more RBI, more hits, more AB's, more doubles, more home runs, more runs, and more total bases. Should I go on? A non-herniated disk? No Boras?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:48 PM) I'm running around in f***ing circles. I saw a theme going, and I went with it. My apologies. By the way, Buster Olney likes the trade. He thinks Vazquez is a good ball taker, whatever the hell that means.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:29 PM) I don't wanna see him anywhere near CF. I need a good defensive player out there. Meet Brian Anderson.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:15 PM) At Stanford, yes. In the minors, not so much. In 2001 in AA, he batted 295 with 27 hrs 98 RBI. He had anothe damn good year down there too. He struck out a ton, but that seems to be a problem with Young as well. I'm not saying Young won't be a solid player. Just saying that you never know. As with most prospects, there is a decent chance he may never pan out.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:10 PM) From espn BA chat (outside of here) Deege (Champaign): Aaron, who do you see starting in center for the White Sox next season between Jerry Owens and Brian Anderson? SportsNation Aaron Fitt: I'm as big a Jerry Owens fan as you'll find, and his year at Birmingham in 2005 was very encouraging, particularly after he skipped a level. But that job will belong to Anderson next year -- at least until Chris Young takes it away in 2007 or '08. Chris Young is a legitimate stud in waiting -- he's got all the tools and tremendous makeup to boot. Owens probably profiles as a solid fourth OF. Yup. Joe Borchard was a legitimate stud too.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:54 AM) Wasn't Jeremy Reed supposed to be a HOF player by now? I mean it seemed like it if you talk to most "knowledgeable" Sox fans(not saying you). If Chris Young turns into Mike Cameron, it won't bother me much at all. If he turns into a Magglio Ordonez with Mike Cameron defense, then I'll say we lost the trade depending on what Vazquez does. Kenny has won it all, he went to sleep, and decided the next morning he liked it so much he wanted to do it all over again. Prospects around here are like a backup QB in football. Everybody wants to see them, and when they come in, everybody waits for the next guy. Why were the Sox so stacked with outfield talent? Cause it ain't that difficult to come by. Unless Young was the bonafide, can't miss, superstar in the making that I've never heard him described as outside of here, I have absolutely no problem giving him up.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:42 AM) I dont think Addy was talking about not being a fan of the team, I think he was saying his confidence level in KW's moves. I like the pickup of another arm, but at what cost? Seriously I thought that Chris Young was as untouchable a prospect as we had. He was the Mike Cameron of 2007 to me. If this makes way for another trade, so be it, but at this point, I was happier with our team before the trade. Our bullpen depth is something that we need to look at, and there is not much available on the market right now. If he turns out to be Mike Cameron, fine. Mike Cameron was never that great anyway. I'm sorry, but Chris Young is no big loss to me. Yes, he is talented, but there are talented outfielders all over the place. I'm probably in the minority here, but I honestly believe that people get too hooked on prospects around here.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:31 AM) Those idiots obviously have no clue how bad El Duque was in the regular season. ...or how old he is. By the way, who's gonna start the "El Duque Appreciation Thread" tomorrow? My entry would go something like..."Hey Duke, thanks for the inning in Boston....and whatever the hell you did to Contreras."

QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:17 AM) Garland and Fields for Crawford and Baez...? Being that Tampa would have almost no shot at signing Garland at the end of the year, I don't see why they'd ever trade for him.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:07 AM) There's no way McCarthy starts next season in AAA. I agree. And I'm fine with him in the bullpen, as long as he is used. And I suspect that, being the quality pitcher he is and that Ozzie even used Viz alot, B-Mac will get used. If anything, he can solidify our bullpen as a long relief guy. Wouldn't be the first time its been done with a young, soon-to-be starter.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:59 AM) right, like I posted earlier, KW hates the World Baseball Classic, and I think he's OK with sticking B-Mac in the minors for another year and using him in spot starts if needed. B-Mac is a major league ready pitcher, but I don't see the harm in easing him into the rotation. He'll fill the role he had most of this year. We were extremely lucky to have our starters as healthy as they were from start to finish, but its hard to expect that every year. If, god forbid, something were to happen to one of our five starters...BAM! Here comes B-Mac! Bullpen or AAA, I don't know. But I'm sure Ozzie, Coop & Crew will know what is best for him. Either way, we've come a long way since our "5th starter by committee" days.

I still think Garland stays. Sox near deal for D-Backs' Vazquez

QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:19 AM) Does this mean the lady in the photo is coming too? Is she taking Timo's spot?

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:50 AM) Rotoworld's already bashing the trade from the Sox point of view. If this trade is legit, I'm thrilled to get rid of Duque, who easily had the worst contract on the team. Rotoworld rarely likes our deals. Hmmm....I wonder what Dayn Perry thinks?

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:42 AM) You can about finalize this deal--MLB is reporting it on their main page. Goodbye Duque, Young--and soon, Garland. Yup. Looks like a done deal.

QUOTE(hi8is @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:32 AM) HAH awsome get el duque off the books and outta the pen... give bmac more time to transition into the leauge.... have another possible ace in the rotation and one in the bullpen..... and no matter how big of a woody you all have for chris young... hes still a prospect... no prospect is a sure thing.... id have to say that a #1 rated CF prospect in AA isnt as important as a possible front line starter with major leauge sucess.... expecially when you are stacked from a minor leauge CF stand point. You plagiarized my mind! Buehrle Garland Contreras Garcia Vasquez McCarthy waiting in the wings. Wow!

I'll respond to my own post by saying, if the Sportsline report is true: ME LIKEY! Lets us hold onto Garland another year, and with the probability that he'll leave at the end of the year, we'll have Vasquez to take over his spot in '07 and McCarthy will be able to take the 5th spot.

Uh, alot of discussion in this thread and not much about the possibility of having both Garland and Vasquez in next years rotation. Well, I didn't see this anywhere else around here, so here ya go: CBS Sportsline: Deal close, involves El Duque & Young for Vasquez Disregard if already posted.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 07:54 PM) Who's next after they miss out on Jones? They can always bring Julio Zuletta back.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) How in the hell did you figure that out.. I swear you have to be one of the smartest posters on here. I got a little confused at first. Was it that he didn't like the hit Fleetwood Mac album? Then I figured that theory wouldn't make any sense.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) Anyone want to update me on whats happaning so I don't have to read 22 pages? All I read was the first post... RECAP The Sox have supposedly been in talks with Arizona about a possible deal for Javier Vasquez. Could be for either Garland or Contreras...the consensus appears to be Garland. Ozzie golfed with Vasquez, so we know they both like golf. Some people like it. Some people don't. Should stick with Garland...since he's gonna leave at the end of the season we should do the trade...we should trade him, but not for Vasquez...yada yada yada. Rosenthal says Chris Young might be involved. hi8is doesn't like rumors.

I read the article several times and it isn't really clear that Chris Young would be involved in a "package" deal with Garland. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it sounds like Rosenthal just heard that Young for Vasquez would be another possibility. Either way, I doubt Young will be going anywhere.