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QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 09:16 PM) You can plead guilty without an agreement from the government to not seek the death penalty, in which case you move directly to the sentencing phase where you can choose whether or not to challenge the government's recommended sentence. Right so the US govt can not even say you either plea to death penalty or no deal. Its he pleas guilty with or without a recommendation. Which is why your hypothetical was funny.

Sure Id consider 100 life sentences without parole instead of 150 life sentences without parole. Remember with both execution and life imprisonment he dies in jail at the end. Its merely about how quickly it happens. Life imprisonment is technically a death sentence, its just slow and painful.

Im not even sure if you can actually plea guilty to the death penalty.

lol So every prosecutor who takes a plea deal is negligent? I have no idea what you mean from "a legal standpoint". If you offer no deal and execute, why would anyone ever surrender again? Why wouldnt they just kill as many people as possible? You have to give some incentive to not just kill everyone and yourself. Its pretty simple and to act otherwise is ludicrous.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:53 PM) When you become a Senator or President, you're more than welcome to argue that point, but the current Federal penal code lists execution as the maximum penalty and the government would be negligent to accept anything less than the maximum penalty in this case. lol Negligent? Are you kidding? You are entitled to your opinion, but acting like your opinion cant be wrong is pretty damn hilarious.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:50 PM) McVeigh isn't far more remembered than Kaczynski because he was executed. He's far more remembered because he killed over 150 people. I get that you like the death penalty and killing people. I just think that is a gift, and I dont give terrorists gifts. Maybe you do, but I dont. You are assuming death will be worse than life, I am saying, why make that assumption hes going to die anyway, cant I get to punish him as long as he lives? Its just silly.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:48 PM) The thing I will find interesting is if they will send him to prison or will they deport him back to Russia... I believe he is a us citizen....

Maximum penalty is life sentence solitary confinement. Its objectively provable that solitary confinement is terrible. There is a possibility that dieing is great. I dont want to take that risk.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:44 PM) Was Timothy McVeigh more of a legend or a martyr because he was executed instead of rotting in prison? If you want to argue that the death penalty shouldn't exist, that's fine, but as long as it exists and it is considered the maximum penalty, that's what the government is obligated to pursue. Legend. Far more remembered than Ted Kacysnki. I wasnt even sure if he was dead or alive.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:36 PM) There is zero risk. They have him on tape placing one of the bombs, and they told the guy whose SUV they stole that they did it. Nope there is no risk of creating a super high profile terrorist and parading them on tv, so that they can spout terrorist propaganda and then get to be martyred. Whats done is done. You put him in jail for the rest of his life and call it a day. No need to create a legend.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:31 PM) The government would do that to get the death penalty. This guy blew up an 8 year old kid. Maybe he did. But youre right, its better to take unnecessary risk because the death penalty is somehow worse than life in prison. Life in solitary is the worst punishment possible. Death penalty is a gift. He is going to die anyway, if he is guilty, he deserves to suffer in jail for the rest of his days.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:31 PM) Unless he has information he can provide, he will not be offered any incentive to plea. Not for this level of terrorism. Then the govt is stupider than I thought. You put him in jail and throw away the key. No reason to take any risk.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:23 PM) Unless he has co-conspirators to give up, the Feds will not take a plea for anything less than the death penalty. lol what? So youre saying that they are offering him 0 incentive to plea? Why does the US govt even want to put him on trial? Its only a chance for him to be on stage and become a martyr.

Until we know motive its impossible to guess what is going to happen next. For all we know this guy will want a trial where he can get on stage and say whatever he wants to say. Who knows.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 05:37 PM) That's a good point, I just don't think they actually have a good idea. Otherwise they wouldn't have had so many resources going in Watertown and have nothing turn up. I agree that it is not likely, but it is plausible. Having all of this media attention is problematic for the police/fbi, because if the cameras are rolling live, its hard to surprise a criminal when he is watching the house on tv.

This also could be false information. They may have an idea where he is, but figure he is watching the news/tv, thus if they say "oh we dont know we are moving on" maybe he relaxes makes a mistake. Russia did this during a terrorist attack. They had the news leak that they would be raiding at "3 am" but instead waited to "5 am".

Im thinking he is getting help. Its the only reasonable reason why they would still be blocks away from where they committed a crime 3 days after the event. These guys are both dumb and clever at the same time. Last night they are committing high profile unnecessary crimes that lead to the police finding them. Today he is a ghost.

There is a guy outside of the Daley Center who claims the FBI has been raping him for 12 years. Very possible that the person was mentally unstable and actually believed it to be true.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 04:07 PM) Um. Not the uncle? Which is the one he called a "loon" So the uncle is a loon for calling his nephews out and apologizing? Its why hes good for a laugh, he contradicts himself by the time you are done with the page.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 04:06 PM) not really. the family members of a person who just committed mass killings usually offer condolences to the victims. these hot heads are out blaming everyone else and coming up with wild conspiracy theories. lol You just are throwing nonsense at the wall and hoping it sticks. You have no evidence, just your anecdotal opinion. On the other side we have a well established psychological reaction to extreme loss/trauma. You crack me up.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) the uncle appears to have a pre-existing beef with this side of his family. Right, but how does that make him a "loon" Many people have family problems, many brothers fight and dont talk. That doesnt make them lunatics. It makes them people. If you are going to attack someones sanity, you should at least have some example of insane behavior.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 04:00 PM) the whole family is a bunch of loons. i have seen some of their interviews. Yeah the uncle is a real loon. His nephews may have committed a terrible atrocity and the guy is brave enough to go on tv and call them out, try and get them to stop. /rolls eyes Im sure that if your nephews did something like this, youd be the model of normal. lol

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 03:58 PM) Where does "threatening more harm" come into play? Did you even read the link? 1. Denial 2. Anger 3. Bargaining The guy is basically the poster child for how people deal with extreme tragedy.

The natural reaction is denial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model Anything else by the father would generally be considered not normal behavior. Even with insurmountable facts, denial makes sense. "This cant be true" "There must be some other explanation" Those are natural reactions. People are just jumping to conclusions like its nothing. Which is so hilarious given the fact that 3 days ago everyone was jumping to conclusions about 2 other suspects.

No that makes no sense. That clearly would indicate that they were trying to flee. So much so that they took a car that was still damaged. Yet there is no indication from Tuesday through Thursday that they took any further steps to leave. Their actions are inconsistent with criminals who would actually be trying to escape. Put it this way. The younger brother has been on the run for over 12 hours and hasnt been caught. How much harder would he have been to catch if he started running on Monday afternoon?