Soxbadger

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) EDIT 224 2:32 PM: Father told media the boys were planning on going back to Russia in a few days. Of course they were! They were gong to flee the country! The tinfoil hat motive is that somehow these guys were actually approached by Russians as a way to get the US to go to war against Chechnya. Its just not making a ton of sense right now. (Edit) And the post above is why it makes no sense they were going to "Russia". Thats like saying an Iranian who bombed Iraq is going to the US.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 01:24 PM) I'm still trying to come up with a motive here. Yeah it makes no sense. Even if it was for some chechnyan issue, the US is just not a good target. Russia and the US are not best of friends, so why would you do something that could possibly unite them against you?

lol Dont judge a book by its cover?

Right because the FBI is going to give criminals good tips on how to escape. They have no vested interest in telling criminals how to get caught. Really? Its like saying: "The police told me if I confessed that they would be nice." You can believe what you want.

Strangesox, I dont know I cant make bombs. I do own an anarchist cookbook and it does tell you how to make pipe bombs, but once again, this was the FBI/Police who said that these bombs require training and it would not just be some random people. That was their original profile, Im not an expert, Im just asking what changed. And I also clearly stated that the police could be lying and that these could be easy to create. But how would I know?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 11:53 AM) With no photos out, the smart thing would have been to stay put, go about your life like nothing happened and not draw suspicion to yourself. Let them waste time checking airports, interstates and train stations. Once the pics came out, all bets are off. Uh what? The smart thing to do would have been to immediately leave the country and never look back. Why would any suspicion be drawn to 2 people who were legally in the US, with no prior criminal history, who werent even considered suspects to start? When those 2 track kids were being arrested, these guys could have walked into any police station in America and no one would have even blinked. They had no heat and this is not the sort of crime that authorities were just going to raise their hands up after a few days and go "Well we give up." Every second that passed was a second closer to them being caught. Any other belief on their part was absolute delusion. These guys could have gotten out of the country but for their own stupidity. How scary is that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 11:39 AM) One guess is that they legitimately thought no one would figure out who did it and then panicked last night right after they saw their photos on the news. Tried to get away, fill up at a gas station, see a guy in uniform... It is a possibility, but it still does not explain where they would have gotten the technical know how to create these explosives. Unless (which is entirely possible) the authorities were lying and creating a bomb like this takes little to no training. The reason why I think there is more, is because when you read about the chase, it sounds like they had multiple explosive devices. If that is true, it means that they did have some sort of contingency plan for when they were going to be caught. Also if they just wanted to kill themselves, why not suicide bomb? I dont know, it just seems like a lot for 2 brothers who seemingly have no military training.

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Something just doesnt add up. These guys had days to get away from the Boston area, yet they stick around and then do something extremely high profile to basically get caught. Their profile also doesnt fit the early reports about them having to be trained due the fact it had ball bearings, etc. Im wondering if they are the low men on the totem poll and there job was to plant the bombs and then take the fall.

I live really close to Wrigley, I go to games when my friends give me free tickets. Watching a game isnt bad there as long as you dont get obstructed view. The amenities are terrible. Might as well go.

What about the old guy he seems to be smiling!?!?

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 01:15 PM) @RBecklerPSU Wow. Some people on 4chan are compiling photos of possible Boston bomb suspects. Solid, very compelling work here. http://bit.ly/XGI25h QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 18, 2013 -> 11:48 AM) Eh, the labeling matters, but otherwise they were people of interest to the FBI with potential information, something the FBI had publicly requested. It wasnt until the media labeled them as suspects that it became a real problem. No it becomes a problem when you have people parroting nonsense and saying "solid, very compelling work." It was crappy bulls*** work. If they want to be helpful, send the pictures to the authorities. Maybe even write your conclusions and say "These guys look suspicious for X, Y, Z reason." But the purpose wasnt to help. The purpose was to drive traffic to their website so that they could make money. Yet people dont get that.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 18, 2013 -> 11:35 AM) The internet is not to blame here. They had actually cleared these two. Then last night a Boston tv channel inexplicably ran their photos and claimed they were suspects. CNN essentially confirmed the report. Then the ny post did their cover. No they are both to blame. The internet users for thinking that they are super sleuths and running nonsense pictures with circles as "evidence". The news is to blame for reacting to what dumb people on the internet do and feeling the pressure to "keep pace" so that they arent being scooped. The reality is that WE are to blame for constantly wanting to rush to conclusions, being impatient about results and living in a society where we need to know everything yesterday. Sure its all fun and games when its rumors about trades, sports, things that dont matter. But when its real life, when its people being accused of terrorism, people need to use some goddamn sense and think about what they are doing. Rumor mongering has real results.

Seriously what are you trying to prove Strangesox? No where in my post do I make any indication Im speaking to you. You just happened to post before me. But honestly Im now starting to think "the lady doth protest too much".

Right it was a general reaction to the fact that people are now clowning NY Post, even though for the 24 hours theyve been running around acting like its canon. If that doesnt describe you, why are you responding? Do you really need me to post, "You guys, except for Strangesox" or is it generally implicit that if you werent doing it, it doesnt apply to you?

If you dont think it applies to, why are you responding? I didnt call anyone specifically out, and actually said "we", which would include myself, even though I explicitly posted that the logic was faulty and that their own visual evidence did not support their claim. But I still bear responsibility, because instead of eviscerating people yesterday, I just didnt get that involved.

Yeah easy today for you guys to be cracking jokes. But where was everyone with this cautious approach yesterday. /shrugs Overall completely shameful and its not just the news. Its the people who read this garbage and parade around like it means something. Its the people who link to nonsense 4chan sites like they are more than modern day lynch mobs. We all are to blame for this. We all help perpetrate the fraud that the media has become. Recklessness for no reason. These are peoples lives and they just get thrown around like nothing.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 06:13 PM) Hard to tell, in one picture they have a guy circled as suspicious in another they are using him as an example of people looking at the race. But this type of stuff can be good or bad. Right now Id just say its evidence, but wouldnt start accusing any of the people without much more. Turns out its actually not very difficult to objectively look at evidence if you arent racing to try and find a scapegoat. Pathetic, yesterday I was going to post that what they are doing with those photos is nothing more than a present day witch hunt.

Yeah you definitely cant let your kids grow up in cook county. Now lake county, that is where the action is

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 06:01 PM) Right? If there was any city/state that needed the inflated 40 percent taxes on a product its illinois and Chicago. This is what I constantly tell people. I dont even know who is against marijuana anymore.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 06:07 PM) Wow. really compelling. Hard to tell, in one picture they have a guy circled as suspicious in another they are using him as an example of people looking at the race. But this type of stuff can be good or bad. Right now Id just say its evidence, but wouldnt start accusing any of the people without much more.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 04:55 PM) Right now I think most people are happy to provide their photos to the government willingly in a case like this, and if there's a certain photo that law enforcement realizes it must have, then it will be able to make the case for a warrant. I actually think that they already may be able to do it without a warrant. And even a warrant is nonsense. All you have to do is say "exigent circumstances" and Im pretty sure that most judges would be fine if the police/fbi went and got a picture. Why? What if that picture was deleted in the time it took for the warrant to be issued? Are you going to tell the world that you didnt catch the "terrorist" because we were waiting on a judge to get a warrant so that we could look at cell phone pictures. Or do you think most people will say: "If you didnt want someone to see your bad pictures, you shouldnt have taken them" "Or you shouldnt have done something wrong if you didnt want to get caught" Classic circular logic that prevails in all criminal law. Ignorance is bliss.

Well its really just the first step to legalization, so whatever. Guess I should find a dr and start a relationship.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 01:34 PM) we will now slowly begin the walk back towards 1984. QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 03:51 PM) Overreactions to terrible events lead to people willingly surrendering freedoms that took thousands of years to fight for. QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 04:35 PM) If cellphone cameras become tools to catch criminals, the next stop is for the govt to start asking for laws that allow them to view your pictures to try and help criminals... QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 04:37 PM) Well, you can't assume that laws will be made to allow government to access private pictures. That's a big assumption. QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Yeah, there's no way that wouldn't require a warrant Im not assuming anything. Im merely making an observation based on the reaction of US citizens post 9/11. After 9/11 the patriot act was passed. Many of your freedoms were voluntarily surrendered to the govt in the name of "safety". You can pretend that it didnt happen, you can say "Well that will require a warrant", but where are the people to fight for this? http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu...triots-restore- I hope I am wrong. But I am almost always in the minority when it comes to these issues. Most people dont care about protecting the rights of criminals or protecting someones privacy at the expense of catching a terrorist. Thats the reality, how far it gets, is up to the people of the US.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 03:57 PM) Who needs big brother to do that, when we have all willingly done this ourselves? I guarantee it won't have been surveilance cameras that will have caught this, but cellphone or tv cameras. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 17, 2013 -> 04:09 PM) Supposedly the best shots come from a Lord & Taylor's surveillance camera. I dunno if you can count that as "big brother" though. Its the same principal. If cellphone cameras become tools to catch criminals, the next stop is for the govt to start asking for laws that allow them to view your pictures to try and help criminals... What happened is terrible and tragic. But terrible and tragic things will happen in a society where we allow free choice.