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Strangesox, I cant respond to people who cant take the time to read my posts. Nothing personal, but if you dont have the time for me, I dont have the time for you.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 14, 2013 -> 12:36 PM) We could just use your previous response... Is it the biggest problem of the week, no...but it is an issue. Dont waste your time Strangesox quit because he cant read a paragraph. In 1 second I found stats that show just how terrible steroid use is, but who cares!

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ May 14, 2013 -> 12:33 PM) If you can show me stats that 13 year old boys are using steroids in a proportion anywhere close to the amount of 13 year old girls that are bulimic or anorexic, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Until that time, it's a ridiculous comparison. And as already noted in the thread, bulimia and anorexia hit young women at a rate 9x that of men. AND the majority of those it impacts are healthy women. But yeah, let's equate that to the 13 year old boys that are using steroids... http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/drug...increase-muscle 1 in 20 use steroids. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cont...2-0095.abstract Not a problem at all.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 14, 2013 -> 12:30 PM) You're being so elitist because he doesn't use the quote function...how judgmental and terrible of you...we need to eliminate all intellectual elitism from the world and act like mediocre idiots. I did use the quote feature, I just removed it because on a really long block of text (I quoted and responded to him point by point), Id either need to quote block every piece of text, or respond within the quote block. I find both of those to be unappealing. But I suspected this result. Its hypocritical, there is no denying it. I dont find it necessary to make every female character hot, but I dont find it necessary to make every male character hot. Thus if Im going to b**** at Disney, its going to be about both male and female characters. But I assume the mom in question doesnt want anyone to touch her beefcake Gaston.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 14, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) not responding to that wot until you learn how to use the quote function I did quote, I just removed the brackets because it was to long and would look really stupid. Hence why I used: Quote: Response: ------ But if that is your excuse for tapping out, so be it.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ May 14, 2013 -> 12:21 PM) One is a serious medical issue. The other helps you work out. How are they even remotely similar? Steroids help you work out, they dont cause any serious medical issues for a 13 year old?

Strangesox, Partially, but what is "good looking" is, again, culturally dependent. We're not hard-wired to like Barbie-doll like figures. Response: Okay so then what is the problem? Some American males like heavier women. They call skinny girls, twigs or say "I could break her". Some guys like barbie, some dont. I dont like blondes, never been a barbie fan. Should we change barbies hair to brunette so they dont have image issues? ------- Why does a Disney character in a children's movie need to be sexed-up at all? What was wrong with the character before? Should every single character in every story be made to look as sexually attractive as possible? Response: To make money? Its their character, they can do what they want? If they want her to be sexier because they think it will sell more, why should I care? -------- This sounds like a bunch of nonsense. What is the evidence that they lost money because Brave wasn't sexualized before? Response: I dont need evidence. Its their character. Are you trying to suggest that Disney is doing this for some other sinister reason? That its not just purely profit driven? ----- Disney creates some characters like that, but they aren't universally so. They also haven't gone back and sexed-up characters in movies released just a couple of years ago, either. Did they make Brave's father more attractive and sexual? Response: Who cares? They are rebranding the main character. Youd think that people would focus on the fact that there is a female lead character, not her looks. But it just shows the cultural obsession with looks. Who cares who she is, how she looks (to sexy) is the most important. What about the fact that hot girls are viewed negatively? Maybe Disney wants to break the stereotype that pretty girls are useless? ------- There's nothing "nonsense" about not wanting every female character increasingly sexualized. Her agenda appears to be to not have things for little girls sexualized, and of course it's trying to push her own agenda. That's the point of an argument. Response: If you dont want that, then create your own characters. If you think it will be so successful, prove Disney wrong. Prove the world wrong. Nothing is stopping Hollywood from hiring ugly male/female leads. Nothing stops them from hiring fat models. So why not start your own business and see how well it goes. -------- Yes, there are. There's a much larger issue with body image and sexualization of women, and this story is very clearly about sexualizing a female. Not every argument and issue needs to address every possible related thing in the world. Response: That is your opinion. In mine its a societal issue that transcends gender. Its not male or female, its human. By suggesting its not, you create hypocrisy. -------- There's nothing biologically deterministic that says we need to sexualize everything and everyone feminine, that we need to judge women primarily on their looks and certainly much more than we judge men. Response: Men and women are judged by differently depending on the situation. Men are judged by looks, abilities, success. Women are judged by looks, abilities, success. I dont know what ratio each person decides. I do know that sex sells, so if Im making a movie, Im going to sexualize everything. Pretty things make money. Shocker.

It stands to reason that boys wouldnt suffer bulimia or anorexia, boy images are shown as big and tough. If I watch Disney movies, I want to be strong, like Prince Charming, Simba. That makes me take steroids, testosterone, protein shakes, etc. Nothing will change unless we are going to try and completely rewire human behavior.

omg people who are on tv are good looking. Next up, people who are scientists are good at science. Is this really how this argument is going?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 14, 2013 -> 12:02 PM) Stop objectifying PEOPLE and judging them based on their looks in virtually every context. Don't sexualize everything. Fixed. Maybe if that is the argument, people would agree. But when you suggest/imply that it isnt happening with male characters or to males in general, it completely destroys the argument. QUOTE (iamshack @ May 14, 2013 -> 12:03 PM) To Badger's point, I believe eating disorders for men have been on the rise, actually. No. No one ever judges men on their looks. No guy has ever been turned down for a job, by a girl, because of their looks. No man has ever been promoted or been given something free because he looked good. No man has ever been hired because he was pretty. No man ever not hired because he wasnt. All males are judged solely on merit. lol

Strangesox, I have no clue why you are getting all bent out of shape on this issue. Its scientific fact that humans prefer good looking people. We are hard wired to prefer symmetry. So arguing about why Disney is making a character more aesthetically pleasing, is like arguing why McDonalds is trying to make a cheeseburger taste better. Because they want to make money. These are corporations, to suggest that they should lose money or take actions that are contrary to business principals for "good of society" is nonsense. Its hypocrisy because as I said, the mother is complaining exclusively about little girls. She doesnt mention that Disney creates perfect male characters that boys cant compare to. If she did, maybe she would have a legitimate argument. But instead its merely a nonsensical argument to try and push her own agenda. I dont buy that type of garbage. As for push who over the edge? You dont think that there are boys in HS who take steroids because they feel they dont compare to people on tv? You dont think there are boys who develop drug habits, commit suicide due to image issues? Its a joke. Just a flat out joke. This isnt about women, its about society. You cant change human biology. But I guess if Disney has an ugly princess, that will change the world. All of a sudden everyone will think ugly people are more valuable than pretty people. So silly.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 14, 2013 -> 11:44 AM) Not nearly to the same extent women are. Damn near every woman in the public sphere has her looks commented on and brought up as a legitimate topic of discussion and that simply doesn't hold true for men. Not really. I judge men and women equally by their looks. Just because you may judge women exclusively by their looks, doesnt mean everyone in society does.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 14, 2013 -> 11:43 AM) Men aren't frequently judged primarily on their physical attractiveness. According to you. But you are putting in a ton of qualifiers and opinion. First of all "primarily" and "frequently". What does it matter. If men are being judged by looks, they are being judged. 1 person being judged 1 time could be enough to push them over the edge. Its extreme hypocrisy.

Strangesox, Men are judged by their looks as well. To say otherwise is a complete fallacy.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 14, 2013 -> 11:34 AM) What is or isn't beautiful is culturally dependent! So maybe to some people they made her more ugly? Im sure some guy out there is saying she doesnt have enough junk in her trunk. (edit) And why isnt this mother complaining that most of Disney's male leads are good looking. You know Prince Charming, he doesnt create an unreachable stereotype for boys.

Perhaps sarcasm?

Im pretty sure Van Gundy cant be neutral when the Bulls are playing the Heat.

Yeah was looking at Summer Fest as Ice Cube is going to be there. Unfortunately ive already spent to much on concert tickets this summer.

Im confused. The first fast and furious movie was not Tokyo Drift. The original had Vin Diesel, Paul Walker and Michelle Rodriquez Id pick Star Trek, not really a fan of the old stuff but the reboot was good.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 9, 2013 -> 05:26 PM) I think the worst one ever was The Scarlet Letter That was one of the few that I thought actually had merit (like To Kill A Mockingbird).

I have to imagine the Big10 had to do some posturing to ensure that Maryland wasnt left out.

Wisconsin always gets terrible games. They played UVA this year. At least it has the story line of "Tony Bennett", but id rather Wisconsin play an up tempo team for a clash of styles, especially instead of a rematch.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballn...chups-announced There is the schedule. Is it just me or does Iowa/ND sound really dull.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 8, 2013 -> 11:20 AM) He admitted he didnt feel right for the first month or two he was back, but now feels 100% Because you have to actually play to get that feeling back. Yeah Rose has never really come back from a devastating injury before. Right now its mainly belief. He just needs to believe that his knee wont break when he cuts.

Yeah criminal lawyers still advise not to blow if you believe youll fail.