Soxbadger

Thats what he meant. (imo)

Here is what I found on suicide rate in NFL http://www.gamesover.org/retirement/when_the_cheering_stops # Depression — The suicide rate among former NFL players is nearly six times the national average. Here is NIMH on suicide, I cant find any explicit NFL stats http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publication...ion/index.shtml

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 2, 2012 -> 04:12 PM) NFL players don't have a higher rate of suicide than the general population. Where did you find this statistic?

QUOTE (flippedoutpunk @ May 2, 2012 -> 04:10 PM) From Balta Thats a definitive statement which would lead someone to believe that if you have 3 or more concussions you automatically qualify for triple the depression rate, which is not what the study said. 20.2 percent of 595 cases, so you're definitely at risk, but it is not a sure thing. Well Balta shouldnt have been so zealous with his statements. Id guess he meant to put the disclaimer "based on the studies" or "studies indicate", as even if you had 1 billion tests youd still have a margin of error in any result. That is just the nature of science.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 2, 2012 -> 04:04 PM) Nothing about my statement said that CTE is bulls*** and does not exist. Christ, read words. I pointed out that many other factors can cause depression. And no one said otherwise, but what you clearly said in your own words is: You are now trying to tell me I cant read. What you are trying to claim you said is the following: "I dont really think that head injuries are the entire cause for depression amongst NFL athletes. While concussions may cause mental health issues and may cause concussions there are several other factors that may increase the NFL players risk factors, one of those is fall from grace. When you look at other stars, they in my opinion, also have a higher rate of suicide, although I dont really have any statistics to support this claim." I dont really see your post as saying that, and I dont think any reasonable reader could either.

QUOTE (flippedoutpunk @ May 2, 2012 -> 04:02 PM) yes 20.2 percent is a large increase, but i just don't think its safe to make definitive statements that insinuate that every single person with 3 or more concussions will have triple the rate of depression, when the study said 20.2 percent of 595 people that were interviewed had triple the depression rate. Where is anyone saying this? There is a documented correlation between concussions and depression. Steve wants to completely ignore the correlation because "celebrities kill themselves sometimes". The fact is that 80% of the people who had 3 concussions did not suffer depression, its just the rate of depression in the subgroup is higher, thus why people in this thread want there to be more research into the issue. I just dont think you should ignore these studies like Steve is doing. Hes basically arguing that science can never prove anything, thus we shouldnt rely on science.

No one has said this. You said that it was bulls***, dont backtrack now, stand by your statement.

Who said everything is black and white? Show me 1 person in this thread who said that "concussions are solely responsible for depression." Otherwise you are basically just saying something everyone knows: "You cant conclusively say anything because humans are unique and therefore each human has a million variables and thus its impossible to say what exactly caused the depression." Thanks for that tip, Im pretty sure I learned the scientific method and isolation of variables in grade school. here is your comment: You said it was bulls***, the rest of us are responding that legitimate scientists have done legitimate research that indicates that there may be a correlation. See the difference, I say "there may be a correlation" you say "its bulls*** because I have anecdotal evidence". Terrible terrible reasoning.

Yes there is no evidence that concussions cause depression. Oh wait: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/31/sports/f...amp;oref=slogin That article is from 2007: Now Steve's theory is that NFL players just are more depressed because they fall from grace, but Steve has not done any testing. In comparison the University of North Carolina has done testing and found that NFL players who suffered 3 or more concussions were 3x more likely to be depressed than other NFL players. So how can Steve's theory be correct? Wouldnt concussions have no correlation on the rate of depression if it was simply that ex-NFL players are all more likely to be depressed? Wouldnt the actual facts show that there was no correlation between concussions and depression? Im not a scientist or a Dr, but Im going to defer to them, instead of Steve's anecdotal evidence. In case you dont trust the ACC, Michigan did a study that shows on average NFL players suffer depression at the same rate as the general populace, once again suggesting that it is concussions that are increasing the depression rate amongst NFL players, not their fall from the spotlight. http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011...nce-living-hell

Yeah the reactions are kind of insane. My mom works for a large insurance company who insures some of the bigger buildings in Chicago. One of the tenants wanted the insurance company to pay for special glass to be installed to protect the building in case of riot. I thought this was insane, but over the last week I swear the Pepsi building installed some sort of super protective glass on their lobby. None of these buildings are even close to where the NATO thing is occurring.

Im not sure, I could see it being entirely barred, but if the Prosecutor is trying to show this was racially motivated, it may be relevant. Regardless it shouldnt be left to a judge, Zimmerman would have been wise to bury this.

Reason number 1,429,392 not to have a myspace or facebook account: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george...-180717152.html I dont really think its relevant to the case, but it just is stupid to have this type of stuff available for a Prosecutor to use against you.

That horse is already out of the barn. Compare Jim McMahon concussion and what was required to be put back in the game to Troy Aikman to Tony Romo. Making counseling available really wouldnt be evidence that in 1986 the NFL knew the risks of concussions and didnt do anything. If anything making counseling available would support the NFL's argument. "We had no idea it was this bad. As soon as the impact became apparent we immediately started to take action to prevent it."

Balta, This isnt about contractual obligations, if you start getting into WWF territory with deaths, congress and other people start to take notice. The NFL is also being sued by former players (including Jim McMahon) alleging that NFL knew risks of concussions and purposefully misled players. Doing more with counseling, etc, could only help.

So its not 100% confirmed suicide, but if it does turn out to be, the NFL needs to really start taking proactive steps to help veterans.

Show me where I have said that? You posted "depressed", I was trying to put an optimistic spin on where the Bulls were in the 2nd quarter. It was a comment on the game as it progressed. What else should I have said "Oh the 76ers are going to shoot 60% this game book it!" that is nonsensical. It was a comment on the game, I used statistics, not "If the 76ers miss more shots than the Bulls make the Bulls will win." Notice how my statement had FACTS. Its completely different. I dont even know where you come off with this nonsense. As for the rest, over the last few years I have made a conscious effort to not get down over teams losing that I have no control over.

Ill be here. It does appear most courthouses will be closed though.

Gale Sayers

And that is the type of s*** I cant stand (And Im not even talking about your stupid grammar comment, I dont use contractions while posting on message boards, I dont waste my time worrying about internet grammar police.), sure it sucks Rose is injured, but posting "depressed" every other hour is just annoying to read. I do sincerely apologize for not wallowing in pity and crying about how everything is lost. That just isnt me, it wont ever be me. You pick up the pieces, you move on.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 2, 2012 -> 12:05 PM) Your posting style lately is driving me insane. You make obvious statements and act like you're a genius. I know your in a pissy mood, but this isnt even close to true. I made a statement during the game, I never said I was a genius or knew more than anyone. You were basically crying in the thread, I hate that type of s***, so I posted something optimistic. I cant stand all of this doom and gloom, sorry that I tried to look at something differently.

Sorry your upset Steve, I stand by my comment that it was unlikely the 76ers shoot over 50% against the Bulls defense. It turned out I was wrong, but it happens. 76ers shot 44.8% this season, they shot 39.8% in game 1, there was just nothing to suggest that the 76ers are that good of a shooting team. I am optimistic, sorry for that.

Well Steve the 76ers shot considerably higher than their average, sure some of it was fast breaks, but overall they were just really hot. At the time I posted that it was still in the first half and it seemed as if the 76ers would cool down and the Bulls would start to take over (they did go into the half leading), after the half, the Bulls just got blitzed in the 3rd (happened against the 76ers on Feb 2 as well) and the 76ers just refused to cool down. It was merely a comment at the time of the game. Most NBA teams will lose if the other team shoots close to 60%.

It actually may be a blessing to get away from the United Center because it just seemed to have no energy.

So the only silver lining is that the Bulls won all year so they would have the weakest 1st round opponent. If you were going to lose your identity and get smoked on defense, the best time for it is the first round. Just hope this focuses the team on clean play and defense, because they dont need to be flashy.

Second game this season where 76ers just crushed the Bulls in the 3rd. I still think the Bulls are the better team, this was just a perfect storm for the 76ers.