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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 09:17 PM) You're much more negative than me of late. Explain yourself! Rowand in 2005 was the ultimate homer (I mean that respectfully). Great poster though

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 07:06 PM) I'd love to see what would happen if someone claimed Konerko. He makes a ton of sense for the DBacks, if he even gets that far. It could completely reshape this Sox team, but it will probably never happen. Goldschmidt, Holmberg, Parker and Montero...thanks

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 08:00 PM) At least our collapses are drawn out over a several month span, theirs was almost immediate. Same with 2007 and 2008 Cubs

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 06:05 PM) I did underestimate Peralta's numbers, although I was referring to Alexei. Peralta is one of the top hitting SS this year, but he is playing a bit over his head, so I have a hard time labeling him best SS in baseball. Again, at this point in the season, it's hard to argue that someone is playing a bit over his head. If the players hasn't collapsed by now, it's very likely they're just going to have a "fluke" season.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) I'd f***ing love Kubel, but the Twins would never let him go to us. I would be willing to part with some serious talent for him. But he's a free agent after this year. Only way I do this is if we're able to extend him and he's playing LF for Sox next year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 05:45 PM) Danks also missed a month. And hopefully if you somehow got to the playoffs, you get the 2nd half John Danks rather than the 0-7 first half John Danks. big difference. Danks and Scherzer have both had excellent 2nd halves. Danks is 3.05 ERA with 1.23 WHIP, Max is 3.13 ERA with 1.09 WHIP

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 05:37 PM) I guess, "pretty good" isn't a real compliment, so maybe. I wouldn't say John Danks has been "Pretty good" this year, I'd say he's been an average pitcher at best and a big disappointment for him. That's the thing...for everyone that has said if the Sox make the postseason, they have the pitching staff to scare teams makes no sense then because if Scherzer is as good as our #2 (Danks), then sure seems like Tigers have a pitching advantage in postseason with a true ace going for them. And I would definitely say Vogelsong has been better than pretty good this year, so I guess I really don't get how WAR is calculate sometimes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 04:36 PM) Scherzer has put up 2.2 WAR this year. That puts him solidly in the class with guys like John Danks, Paul Maholm, Ryan Vogelsong, Jeff Francis, Bartolo Colon, etc. Isn't that pretty good?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 05:25 PM) Wow. Are we talking about the same team? Best closer? Ha. There is a better SS in their own division. Once you get past the best pitcher, the next 4 starters are questionable heading into a playoff series. Let's not let this little hot streak fool us now. Peralta's numbers are easily better than Cabrera's this year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 05:25 PM) No, it's not. If a guy is getting out of trouble all the time it's only a matter of time until he's snakebitten. You're smarter than this. The results are all that matters, and Valverde has had a magical season so far this year. Reminds me a little of the Cotts/Politte 2005 success. At this point in season, it's hard to argue "it's just a matter of time".

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 05:23 PM) I can't believe how many people scoffed at the Doug Fister acquisition. There there's a damn-fine pitcher. Same people who probably think Peavy is going to regain form and put up better numbers next year than Fister. Heck, people think Scherzer is this terrible pitcher when he's been pretty good this year also.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 04:21 PM) Kimbrel >>> Valverde I know there's better relievers (I do love me some Kimbrel), but hard to argue with perfection

Trade Omar to the Phillies and let him try to get a WS ring also

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 04:05 PM) Not to mention they pretty much have an automatic win when Verlander touches the mound. Tigers are damn good. The best starting pitcher in baseball, the best closer in baseball, one of the best 1B in the majors, one of the best SS in the majors, one of the best catchers in the majors...and then you have a lot of other solid bads. I know Benoit started off poorly, but he's been much better lately as well.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 03:57 PM) Except of course that Manny Thome. So no, nothing like the same. Oh I'm sure the ticket sales difference is not likely to make up his full salary. A combination of that, and the Sox being more likely to stay in marginal contention, might. But it isn't purely a financial decision either or course. Just like a lot of people want the Sox to draft more high risk, high ceiling guys... I want the organization to keep fighting when there is a real chance (and when the team ahead of us isn't that good). Now, if in a couple weeks the team is 8 or 9 games out, then yeah, it is time to change gears. Tigers are so underrated on here. 12 games over .500 now, and recent acquisitions have improved the team. Getting to add Coke to bullpen was huge for them.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 04:53 PM) I'm actually pretty happy the Sox claimed Manny. The team is on the brink, chances of winning the division are dwindling fast, but it is not quite over yet. 2011. The same as 2010. The Manny claim made way, way more sense than this Thome claim.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 04:48 PM) I'm actually pretty happy the Sox claimed Thome. The team is on the brink, chances of winning the division are dwindling fast, but it is not quite over yet. Besides, Thome being there will put more butts in the seats, which helps the team's payroll situation (partially offsetting his cost). And Thome has said he enjoyed his time with the Sox. So the only reason to hesitate, really, is the whole thing with getting Jim a shot at a ring. I can understand that, I'd love to see him get a ring, but it isn't exactly a known thing he'd go somewhere else and have a better shot anyway. And if Jim doesn't want to come here, he can just say no. I'm of the opinion that the cost of adding Thome (which isn't a concern) the rest of this year would outweigh the ticket sale increase the Sox would see by adding Thome. I doubt there's a lot of fans out there who are going to want to go to the game just to see Thome play right now. Hell, I'd be much more willing to go to a game or two down the stretch if I knew I'd see Viciedo play instead of Dunn or Thome.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 04:31 PM) Forgot about not acquiring Rasmus because of the Mark Teahen albatross. Our Major League scouts continue to do a terrible job. With Frasor looking like a pitching machine on the mound, he's just another in a long line of veteran MLB players that came to the Sox and basically immediately sucked (Dunn, Rios, Teahen).

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 03:22 PM) The most perplexing season I've witnessed in my 20 years as a Sox fan. From the mishandlings of Viciedo/Sale/Peavy, to running Dunn/Rios out there continuously when they were doing nothing but sabotaging the season, to drafting a Keenyn Walker when there were clearly better players to be had and no money was devoted to a first round pick, oney guillen and his bulls***, not parting with the few assets you had before the deadline, etc, etc, etc. As a buddy of mine says, KW and Ozzie seem like they're directing/managing this club like they're not going to be back next year. All hands on deck, future be damned.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 04:16 PM) This entire year as a whole made no sense to me (from decisions in the front office, down to personnel decisions from the minors) so why not have one last hurrah? Like I said, wait until Ozzie says it's not fair to Pierre to not play him the rest of the way and let him continue to start every game. Viciedo and De Aza will be on a platoon probably, and AJP will get most of the at bats at catcher.

If they acquire him, better not be for more than a bag of balls

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 06:04 AM) As we finish yet another month, this team continues to lose games in the most infuriating fashion. I wonder if next year we return to normalcy or if we again are an eminently unlikeable team. Well, it's very possible three of the most likable guys on the team in Buehrle/Quentin/Danks are not going to be back. It will be fun to watch someone like Viciedo hopefully get at least 400 at bats, but it seems very likely that we're not looking at a supremely talented team next season. The Sox are in baseball hell right now, and it's pretty damn obvious that Kenny and Ozzie both need to go. Way too many bad decisions are being made on and off the field with no accountability.

Frasor should have been pulled after striking out Wells. Even Hawk/Stone were pointing out that Aybar is significantly better against righties before he got that hit.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 04:58 AM) Who cares Sox will not spend any money in draft on anyone good anyway. :notworthy :notworthy

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 04:56 AM) When are the Sox going to change this f***ing coaching staff? It makes me giddy to think that the Marlins really might have to give up something to get Ozzie this offseason.