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QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:28 AM) What does what you just said have to do with Rongey being an apologist? Just trying to put 2 & 2 together here. It's a stupid, hypocritical philosophy.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:26 AM) And it needs to be done sooner than later. Note that Hawkins was returned to the 8th inning spot after leaving the Cubs, and never returned to form...they ruined him mentally, and that's what Thornton looks like right now...mentally defeated. Pierre is a footnote in this...the fact that Thornton hasn't recorded a single easy out, or looked dominating over any hitter thus far is alarming...and it could end up costing us more than just a few games, but the best setup man in the game the last few years running. I still stand by my belief that last year physically drained Thornton more than we know.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:22 AM) FYI you kids who think Rongey is being an apologist, Ozzie said in the post-game that he wasn't going to let Mark pitch because he has to protect him this year and the decision was made this spring. Well, that's going to pay off when Ozzie's in Florida next year.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:20 AM) Note that the Cubs took who was pretty much the best 8th inning guy I've ever seen (Hawkins), moved him to closer where he failed...kept him there in hopes he'd pitch through it...and effectively ruined his career. He never recovered. I'd like to not see that happen to Thornon, and right now, that's exactly what I see, despite it bring early to call this that way, I am anyway...because it's my opinion that the same thing is occurring right before our eyes. Thornton doesnt even look close to comfortable. I'm with you 100% on this

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 04:18 AM) Sale? A rookie who hasn't exactly flourished this year? Santos? Would we really be any worse off if we left Thornton in the role for now? Yes...Santos is our long term closer of the future anyways. Put Thornton in the 8th inning, as he's going to be there anyways when Sale becomes a starter.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:12 AM) I believe Thornton deserves a solid month until removed from the role. I'm sorry. He's been too good for too long. I just can't believe the 9th inning is that big a difference from the 8th inning. It can be though, and who knows, he might struggle just as much in the 8th inning right now. His stuff just isn't that good for the time being. Can't keep blowing games though, as it's not like you're letting Mariano Rivera work his way through some issues.

I'm all for giving Santos the next chance to close. Latroy Thornton needs to shut down the 8th inning for us.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:06 AM) He's playing the "Have to protect his arm" card. f***ing apologist mouthpiece. Ugh, he's such an idiot. The sad thing is that the casual Sox fan listens to him. Does that mean he was mad that Jackson threw 120 pitches on Thursday?

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:01 AM) Rongey thinks it was the right move to pull Buehrle. Shocking! Well, that supports those that think pulling him was the wrong decision.

QUOTE (SouthsideNorthsideFan @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:02 AM) Bizarre. I wonder if there might there be a health issue? Seems so basic, but often vision or other (balance, perception) problems are overlooked. He ran tonight like someone scared of dropping another fly ball, and he almost missed that fly ball completely.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:57 AM) People need to admit that Thornton has also had pretty bad luck in his first 2 outings. Tonight was not about luck. Crisp's line drive was good luck for Thornton.

Can't we just go for having a stud lineup and platoon Teahen and Viciedo in LF? Times like this where you hate Pierre's durability.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:56 AM) I would have too. But Ozzie probably wanted Thornton to feel like he still has faith in him. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case tonight. Do it in a game where he has a little breathing room.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:53 AM) With a Juan Pierre in LF and a Carlos Quentin in RF this team seriously could use a GOOD defensive outfielder for the late innings of close games like this. Just wait until we see why Lillibridge has barely played outfield in his professional career.

Between Pierre and Thornton, we have two players who look mentally defeated out there.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:50 AM) Adam Dunn gets his gloves and his bat. Then watches Ozzie allow the guy wno f***ed up try to right himself. Way to do what's best for the team. I still can't believe he let Morel face Ross again. He definitely got his ass handed to him tonight by Geren, as warming up Breslow kept Dunn out of the game.

Worst thing about bullpen collapse is that all the stupid dumbasses who thought we should have brought back Jenks think they're right.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:47 AM) He has to. Even if Dunn were to PH and homer, he has zero OFs. Teahen to OF, Dunn to 1B.

This has been a frustrating season so far. Funny that we go all in everywhere but our bullpen, and it's killing us.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:45 AM) How, again, is Thornton not a closer? His D has screwed him for the second time. His stuff didn't vaporize overnight. People seem to forget his bad end to the season due to medical issues. His stuff is not good right now, as his fastball is 2 mph short.

Yep, he's letting Pierre bat. Comical Ozzie

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:43 AM) Games like this are not gonna help jump start the already crappy attendance It's a very agitated fan base right now due to the bullpen. Dunn's injury has also killed a lot of the excitement over him.

SWING THE BAT! He better not let Pierre bat instead of Dunn.

4 of our next 6 games are against Cahill, Anderson, Weaver, and Haren. Need this win!

QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:38 AM) This team has had the lead in every game and is looking like it'll be 6-4. What have there been, 3 9th inning collapses already? One was in the 8th inning.