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QUOTE(jenksd @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 12:59 AM) for those watching the marlins game, that double play ruled What happened?

Great game for Thome...now pull him.

Well, that hopes. Congrats Jermaine!

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 12:22 AM) With the way the 2nd half has gone, this game is so far from over, its almost scary. No kidding

Here's where it would be nice to add a few runs against the middle relief. We've got ourselves in trouble this year when we jump ahead, but then get shut down by long relievers, and the opposition jumps back into the game.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 12:05 AM) It's just depressing to look and see we are winning solidly, but with Minny also winning...we gain nothing. Silva's on the mound...there's still a chance. Don't forget that the Twins/Tigers are guaranteed at least 2 losses this wknd.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 12:05 AM) God I hate watching Thome run. Scares the hell out of me. Who's slower, him or PK?

QUOTE(beautox @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 11:54 PM) is Bobby back with the team tonight? Yes, but Ozzie won't use him.

Good base running by Pods!!!

He got the 0-2 hanger, and put a much better swing on it. We've hit 6 straight balls right on the button. Lets get two more runs in.

Cintron's approach is just awful lately at the plate.

Very nice AB by Pods. PK's speed is such a peculiar thing.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 10:07 PM) Ok, but I am not going to put Gload out there. ANd I am not putting Mackowiak out there full time either. Why can't Gload be an everyday LF, when the alternative has been Pods?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 09:54 PM) Different teams respond to different tactics. This year's Sox is different then last year's. I don't understand why that's not being talked about either. I've been saying for a while that Ozzie doesn't know how to manager this current personnel, and I don't mean just on the field.

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 08:57 PM) Completely agree 15000000%. For whatever reason, he's lost that fire. Maybe it's too many commercials.. maybe too many tv specials.. I dunno, but it's something and it sucks. You've hinted at the possibility that there are some in the clubhouse that are sick of his attitude. Do you still think this is a legitimate assessment of the environment surrounding the team?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 08:38 PM) Why cant we just pick up Freel and end any debate. Freel's only a good outfielder because he likes to dive close to the white lines.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 07:45 PM) The problem is, your idea of "putting the team in the best position to win" is usually flawed. Yep, how dare I want our best defense on the field all at once or our best hitter off the bench at the plate in a situation where we can do some damage. I guess I'll just sit back and not "panic". Sure, there's times when things I suggest are a little too proactive (ie: ph for AJP in the top of the 9th on Monday). However, I think my suggestions are pretty simple for the most part. QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 07:44 PM) I put this in the catch anything thread, but... Tonight Sweeney is in CF batting leadoff Pods is in LF batting 8th Per the Score Cool, it's worth the shot. I like this move, as maybe it will provide a spark and allow Pods to relax.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 07:35 PM) I don't believe there was anyone better. That was the problem. No one better than a CF who can't judge a fly ball to save his life? Darren Lewis just rolled over in his rocking chair hearing that.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 07:24 PM) I agree with Mack and that situation with Cotts. Mack never should have been placed in CF. However, I think KW could have done something to get us a better CF if this was a problem. Ozzie must have felt like he was helping BA mentally. That is the only thing I can think of. He must have seen something in him from one day to the next and must have been trying to place him in position to succeed and get a positive mental approach going. That is the only excuse I can see for that. Cotts was struggling and then he places him in that situation? I didn't understand that. That was a bad move. If Ozzie wanted a change made to the roster, KW would have found someone for him. On the bright side, we have less than a month with this current personnel. I know everyone thinks I get on Ozzie for every little thing. Personally, I don't believe I do. If I see a game last night where he puts the team in position to win, then that falls on the team and their execution. I actually thought he managed a great game last night, and he made the proper subs in the 8th inning and even tried a hit-and-run.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 07:17 PM) No one here has ever done it. Ever. Managing little league and HS doesn't count. I think I know some baseball and I played through college, however I could never manage from this seat and tell what is right or wrong. I know situations, sure. I know what to do and what you should do during situations in a game. But that is not what makes you a good manager. You have to get a feel for your team. You have to be there day in and day out. You have to know your players and their limitations and how they are feeling at a given time. A lot more goes into any given situation than just knowing the percentages of what to do. Plus I would place more blame on Joey Cora than Ozzie. Anyone that is going to send a huffing and puffing Paul Konerko around third base to score when the cut off man has the ball as he is rounding third base is a moron to me. I'm just sayin'. Cora doesn't deserve a job, end of story. You mention the point about knowing limitations, and as you see by my sig, that's my #1 rule of managing. I'm sorry, but continuing to put Mackowiak out in CF isn't putting your team in the best position to succeed. Intentionally walking M. Cuddyer to get to J. Morneau isn't putting your team in the best position to succeed. Neal Cotts was in a stretch where he couldn't retire a lefty to save his life. So what does Ozzie do? He bring in Cotts in huge situations to face the dangerous Morneau. Those results were predictable.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 07:10 PM) Ha ha ha. I couldn't get past your first statement without laughing. I will read the rest later. If that really is the case then I blame the players. The players can't get intense enough to play every single meaningful game to get their asses in the playoffs? That is a lousy bunch of players then. I hardly blame the manager. That is a f***ing lame ass bunch of players. Juan Pierre has been busting his ass over the past few months (salary drive), and he's been playing like the way we'd love to have Pods play still. I couldn't agree with you more that this is a lame bunch of players. Paul Konerko is my favorite Sox player ever, but his actions as a captain have been disappointing. T. Hunter is saying how the Twins are TOO amped up to play the Sox. Meanwhile, PK keeps saying that each game isn't important, as there's still a lot of time left this year.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 07:05 PM) Where did I say no other person besides Ozzie? I said any White Sox fan. Now if there is a professional manager that is also a White Sox fan, then that is a possibilty. No person posting on this board could. That is fact. Many things can not even be blamed on Ozzie. I can't blame Ozzie for players striking out or groudning into double plays or hitting pop ups in key situations. I can't blame him for blowing late inning leads. I don't see other teams play, but he has not been the worst. He hasn't been as bad as Baker. He hasn't been as bad as that jamoke in Toronto. I will sadly state that the Cubs have played with more intensity during the 2nd half of the season than the Sox. Of course, they have no pressure on them, and have a roster full of rookies who will always show a little more spark than veterans. There's no excuse for this Sox team to be 5 or 6 games under .500 since the ASB, especially because they've had really no significant injuries this season. How do you know how good of a baseball man anyone on this board is though? Again, I'm not saying myself or any particular person knows more about baseball than Ozzie Guillen. I've just never been a fan of the argument "if you know so much about baseball, then why aren't you a manager". Good stuff though southside, I appreciate a good debate.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 06:57 PM) And you are saying a fan could do a better job and has a better feel for this team than Ozzie does? Because THAT is the argument. Ozzie won a world championship with the White Sox for the first time in 80+ years and fans think they know this team better than he does? Give me an f'n break. You may think you do, but I really doubt you do. There is not one single Chicago White Sox fan that could do a better job with this team. Ozzie had a great feel for the 2005 team, as he almost always put us in a great position to win (except for his use of Marte and Timo). His feel for the 2006 team is pathetic though, and I'm not saying that I could do a better job, but it's pretty naive to say that no person could do anything to help this team besides Ozzie. We're almost 140 games into the season, and Ozzie is making the same mistakes he was during the first week of the season. I will gladly state that he's been the worst manager in baseball during the 2nd half of the season.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 06:02 PM) Ozzie doesn't, but you and White Sox fandom does? Seriously? Come on. You have to be joking. This has to be placed in green, right? I think Ozzie does know and wants him to improve. That is what the article said to me. Please don't think that you know more about the team or the players than a coach does. That is just absurd. You are not there to observe anything that goes on. How could you possibly know more than a coach that does? This argument loses validity when Mackowiak continues to get put in CF.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 04:40 PM) I think a lot more is being made of this as well... They want Anderson to keep getting his ABs after only getting 306 so far this year. The only way a young hitter develops and starts to adjust to his defecencies is to keep getting to the plate and learn to recognize situations and pitches. As for the power vs speed stuff, I think it is pretty clear Ozzie is looking at a Pods-less future and thinking that we need to get more SBs from somewhere. I think he also is saying the obvious, that we get plenty of power in this line up, and it would be more beneficial to the team to have BA causing problems on the basepaths vs trying to hit homers. The Sox really believe in winterball for the development of their players, and it isn't a big surprise that they are pushing Anderson to go that route. As the starter of this thread, I think it's a great idea for Anderson to play winter ball. He has a long way to go offensively, and that will only help. I was just frustrated that it was another case of Ozzie getting upset with one of the young guys, even though they're not even close to being what's causing our problems right now. His comments about either being a speed player or power player are just idiotic.