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I have a feeling that there's a lot more people who feel sick now.

QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:28 AM) Vazquez has to go to the pen. if you can't go more than 5 innings you're no use to this team Or our manager just get his head out of his ass when Vaz starts, and he pulls him no matter how well he's doing if the game is within 3 runs.

QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:28 AM) LOL once again Rongey sets a new bar for stupid remarks, " I don't think Contreras had a terrible start, yes a bad one, but not terrible." It wasn't that bad. He only gave up 5 runs in his start. That's about average for everyone besides Garland lately.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:26 AM) Phone busy on my first try. First caller into the PFB show thinks that Ozzie made all the right moves last night. Shockingly he gets through. Someone gives PFB a tug on the nuts, and he is the skype caller of the show. Wow that was quick. He usually saves that for his more negative callers. Did his name start with j, and end with t?

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:23 AM) I get to see this train wreck up close tomorrow. Hopefully they get a win to salvage the series. Why do we drop our pants every year, except last year, bend over and take it from the twinks past the asb. We just lost our 3 last series to them. Including a sweep. We are looking at another sweep here. Are you forgetting getting swept by the Twins at the Cell int he 2nd half of last year? We lost games in a similar fashion vs them then.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:23 AM) id guess not good.....but thats just a guess...he had nothing in that last game, and hes already said that he's retiring next year I heard Gardenhire pulled him due to being ineffective, and not cause of his injury. We have to remember that the radar gun was way down last night, so his velocity wasn't as bad as it seemed. QUOTE(cgaudin @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:24 AM) We had a season similar to this one. It was 2004.........'nuff said. And 2003

Compared to 4 out of our 5 starters, he is f***ING CY YOUNG!

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:20 AM) When you talk about playing with intensity, 2 plays immediately come to my mind. 1. Luis Castillo's ground ball to Iguchi off of Jenks in the 9th. Iguchi charges, but not hard/fast enough, and Castillo is close enough to be called safe. Iguchi looks incredibly fatigued. He just doesn't seem to have a lot of energy at the plate or in the field. QUOTE(daa84 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:21 AM) liriano and radke (who was like 8-1 in his previous 9 before garland beat him) had something to do with that, without those two guys the twins could be in trouble What's the word on Radke?

QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:20 AM) Pitching, defense, fundamentals, productive outs, spot on managing... Guys not overswinging, holding runners, good range in the outfield, hitting the cutoff man....and many, many more.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:18 AM) 1 second...does anyone realize that the argument here, in the "Ozzie Guillen battleground thread", is that you can't put 100% of the blame on Ozzie for the loss? Of course it's not 100% his fault. But way more of it was his fault than should have been. Again, he violated Fathom's #1 rule. Having Mackowiak in CF doesn't give the Sox the best chance to succeed.

QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:16 AM) I think we see the AL Central champs in this series. Congrats to the Twins as they TRULY want it more than our team does. There's a reason they've gone from 9 under to 24 over.

QUOTE(Felix @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:16 AM) I agree with you that Mack shouldn't ever start in CF, but when he does and the Sox lose, you can't just blame Ozzie right away. There were many times today when the players on the field had chances to win the game and failed. When it continues to lead to numerous runs against our pitchers, I will blame Ozzie every time. It's freaking ridiculous that we're a MLB team, and our manager has the slightest clue about his player's abilities.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:15 AM) See ya in 2007! Please come back then...see ya.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:14 AM) put blame where it is deserved......contreras lost this one for us, not iguchi.....when you are "the ace" you cant go only 2.something innings against santana Contreras isn't the ace of this team, and he hasn't been the ace for 2 months now.

QUOTE(Felix @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:12 AM) The game was not lost by Ozzie. It was lost by Cintron and AJ who couldn't get more than one run home with the bases loaded and only one out. It was lost by Uribe, making an error on a ball he normally sucks up. It was lost by Iguchi, grounding in to a double play for the final two outs of the game, leaving the best hitter in the AL on deck. It was not lost by Ozzie. Yes, if he did things a bit differently, then maybe the Sox would have won, but it's far from being his fault when placing the blame for this game on someone. How many times is he going to put Mackowiak in CF, only for it to blow up in our face? Seriously, we're almost 130 games into the season, and he hasn't learned one freaking thing from what's happened. Ozzie is getting absolutely owned by Gardenhire in this series so far.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:10 AM) So, how many good pitches did Tadahito have to hit in that AB? The first down, right down the middle for strike one. He hung another one and fouled it off. The pitch that Iguchi grounded into a DP on wasn't a particularly great pitch, either. So depressing. We really need to move him down in the lineup. Hell, put Gload in the #2 spot.

We're the only team I've ever seen who absolutely can't capitalize on a hanging offspeed pitch.

Another superior game for Ozzie tonight. Nothing a struggling pitcher needs more than a strong defensive team on the field behind him.

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:07 AM) if i sat next to you at a game....i would want to move....you are so negative every Gdamn chance you get! Because I said I don't want a terrible base runner to get caught stealing with Dye on deck?

QUOTE(maggliopipe @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:06 AM) how about a nice little gapper here taddy I can't remember our last double to score a runner.

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:05 AM) i seriously think you need counseling.... For what?

I hate Pods running/bluffing in this situation, as it distracts Iguchi.

If Pods is running, he better be 100 pct certain he'll make it.

That was his pitch to drive to right center. QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:03 AM) Was Gload playing up on that Punto liner with 2 outs? I thought that is what Farmer said. Yes he was, to take away the bunt.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 03:02 AM) If I'll be damned. What the hell was that? Don't you love it when that happens.