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QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 05:42 AM) I tend to agree with this, but that is the exact same thing that was said during the 2000 season. Yes, but we actually have good starting pitchers now. I also think that KW has improved greatly since that time, and even if he happens to get fired, I'm very confident that his possible replacement (you know who) would do the job.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 05:41 AM) You're scaring the s*** out of me. I'm actually enjoying reading your posts. Well, the last few days, I've taken a step back and looked at the big picture. What I see is a 2005 team that completely overachieved in the first half of the season, and is now slumping heading down the stretch. In reality, this is about a 85-90 win team. I'm just grateful that we have meaningful games for the rest of the regular season, and quite possibly the playoffs. I said this a month ago before the slump, but this Sox team being in the position they've been all season is the greatest sports surprise of my life so far (by greatest, I mean best). You look at the Cubs roster, and they're much more talented than the Sox. However, their season is already over, and the rest of the season is meaningless. How fun was it for the handful of us following the Indians game tonight?

How's this for a prediction: The 2007 White Sox team is the year we're building towards, and this year happened as a fluke. While we've had a great season so far, I don't think this team has enough to win the World Series. However, our team in 2007 should give us another great chance at competing for the World Series.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:34 AM) Sweeney/Young/Owens. Take your pick they'd be in the Cubs system tomorrow had we gotten walker. Sweeney or Young. Owens wouldn't have been enough. I was thinking someone like Honel would have been in the deal.

Buehrle would be incredible in the NL.

Well, now that it's over, I can say this: I'm happy we didn't trade for Walker. Knowing the way Hendry is, I have a feeling we would have been very upset with who we had to give up to get a rental player.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:24 AM) Neither are starters and you can argue that Blum is more valuable as a bench player but he is terrible offensively. Everyone here seems to think we'd better off with him starting yet Crede still remains a better option with two herniated discs. Blum is definitely a better offensive option than a slumping Crede. If Crede is playing decent, then he should be the everyday starter, of course. But Crede was definitely in a bad frame of mind at the plate the few weeks before he got injured.

I love having BA off the bench. The one thing we've lacked all year, besides in games where Thomas was off, was some righty power off of the bench. If there's 2 outs and we're down 1, as much as I like Ozuna, Anderson is a much better option against someone like J.C. Romero.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:20 AM) You will feel real sick to your stomach when Timo is the man that comes off the bench in the playoffs instead of someone good. It would have happened no matter who we got.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:18 AM) It's over, finally. No more speculation. I feel relieved and rejuvenated, yet at the same time I feel sick to my stomach that we couldn't get anything done. I'm definitely happy it's over with. I honestly think that all the talk (Griffey Jr.) might have been a distraction to the team. In a way, you could get the sense we kept waiting for someone else on the team to spark the offfense. Now, it's up to the team we've had all year to get it done down the stretch.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:16 AM) .206/.254/.286 Why does Blum get a pass? Because he's been able to play every single infield position. You can't find many MLB caliber players who can play all infield positions. You can find plenty of guys who could do what Timo is doing. Also, it's not like we gave up a lot to get Blum.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:12 AM) I was thinking the same thing...I looked at his numbers and they haven't been as bad as the hate he gets... I mean, we have high expectations for someone playing in place of crede, especially at the plate??? Blum's not the type of guy who's going to spark a team. He's very soft spoken, and not very dynamic on the field. He's very much like Crede in terms of his personality. I sure don't mind the guaranteed 0-4 that we were getting from the 3b position before the injury to Crede.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:12 AM) Timo > Blum offensively. 'Nuff said. Says who? Blum is extremely versatile, while someone like Timo is easily replaceable.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:09 AM) Geoff Blum has a hit or more in 9 of his last 12 games. Why so much hate for this man from everyone? He's just about the least of our problems. Before his defensive disaster yesterday, he had been superb in the field. He had a huge double in extra innings to beat the Twins, and he's had some solid ABs lately. He definitely should not be the scapegoat.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:05 AM) So what was this thread originally about? Yeah, can someone please change it back to the original title?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 03:52 AM) Why is that? I don't know, it's just a feeling I have that I would rather just sit back and enjoy the playoff games if we make it. Since you never know if/when you'll get back, I'd rather not feel the need to analyze every single pitch. The one thing I never wanted to do is make my fellow Sox fans think that I'm not rooting for the Sox. And while I'm in the spotlight, I wanted to apologize for all the Timo sexual jokes I made this year. I honestly had no clue they were being received so poorly, and all it took was one person to ask me to stop for me to do so.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 03:48 AM) Im going to back Fathom up here, yes, Tony backing up Fathom (thats f***ed up). Fathom, while often putting a negative spin on things, does tend to try and look at things at the big picture, and at TIMES, AT TIMES, will give credit where credit is due. There are some here that only seem to come around when the Sox lose, or are heading on a slide, and not when they have won 3 or 4. Fathom is a good poster, and brings good discussion to this site. I do however hate him. Yeah, things sure seemed a lot quieter last night when the Sox were winning. I know people have jobs, etc. that might influence when they can post, etc. However, there are a lot of us that are in game threads no matter what the score is. I've already said that I won't have a single post in the game threads if we make the playoffs.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 03:44 AM) Thank you. GREAT post. Nobody has ever bit their tongue when being either negative or positive. If you can make a statement and factually back it up, you'll have no problems. It's only those that are overly-negative or overly-positive who are blasted, and rightfully so. Like I said yesterday, the best thing about this site is that it's soxtalk.com, and not soxcheerleading.com.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 03:38 AM) Where is everybody getting ripped for being negative? How come I just don't see it? Fathom has managed to stick around and he at times is the most negative fan you're going to come across. Sometimes people go over the top with their negativity and are called on it, then claim they're getting flamed or blasted. I just don't see it. I think I've been allowed to stick around because I actually give reasons for why I say negative things. Also, I'm not a bandwagon jumper like so many people on this board are.

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 02:20 AM) How did I know this would somehow turn into a Timo bash ??? Just so you know Jim, I was totally joking about that. I've even said recently that Timo has one of the better chances on the team to get a hit it seems. Is there ever a bad time for a CLEAN Timo joke?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 02:12 AM) The Sunday line-up should be disbanded until the division is clinched. No kidding. And if ONE player needs a rest, that's fine...sit him that day. But no more lineups with 3 starters on the bench.

The funny thing is how much dip he has in his mouth. In the minors, you risk getting fined if you're caught with it.

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 02:07 AM) Well you are right of course but the Indians can't take 3 games by swishing a shot from 45 feet out, this ain't basketball. If it was basketball, Timo would definitely be "that guy" on the team who came in to shoot FTs at the end of the close game because of his "veteran poise".

Super prospect on the Marlins just hit a grand slam in his first career AB.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 02:07 AM) We coulda been undefeated this season if... Most people probably think that I believe we'd be undefeated if Ozzie managed better.