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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 04:47 AM) Personal attack? I said that's ignorant, to say "I could care less what this 'poll' says", which it is. If you take it as a personal attack, then that's your problem. You called me ignorant. You said you weren't surprised considering the source. In my book, that's a personal attack. I'm sure you won't get in trouble, so I'll just drop it. And since when do I have to form my opinion because of what some "fan scouting report" says? It sure sounds like a scientific judgment of a player's attributes. Thankfully, Bellhorn is going to sign with the Yankees tomorrow, so this lovefest for a well below average player will end.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:35 AM) In all fairness, I smell your fear. Stay away from the dark side. Despite what Casey Blake may have told you, the injuns are not a better team. They might not be a better team, but they're definitely peaking right now, while the Sox are not playing at the level they have all year.

Tomorrow is a very important day for the Sox. If we lose the first game of the doubleheader, we're going to need McCarthy to help us avoid at least our second 4 game losing streak in a very short period. We can't afford to have guys like Buehrle and Garland losing to no-name pitchers.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:33 AM) You're defeating the spirit of this thread with that kind of talk. You're supposed to say something like, "We've LOST three of the last 8! We suck!!" Or just two in a row

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:13 AM) Oh yeah, tell them we're not sweating. This team is the furthest thing from desperate. We're not desperate for offense? If that's true, then those Desperate Housewives must really be sluts if we're not considered desperate right now.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:07 AM) Which player would you take from just an offensive viewpoint? I just couldn't help but notice how people were talking about Bellhorn's OBP despite his terrible BA. Player B. Sometimes, you need the person to actually get a hit to score a run.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:58 AM) I found it funny however that when we had the tying run at the plate in the ninth, there was I beleive a single post about it. Gooch makes an error and there are 6 pages. I agree, when I got home from work, I was shocked at how there was hardly a post about the 9th inning. It's good to see Uribe get 3 hits tonight. I know we complain we need more offense....but we might as well cheer for who we have on this team, cause that's almost definitely who we'll have the rest of the way. I wish Pods could have come back a week earlier, as maybe it could have given KW and Ozzie enough time to figure out that his influence on the offense likely isn't enough to get his team rolling.

Furcal really worries me as the type of guy who might get real lazy once he gets the big contract.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:54 AM) Whats up guys, I just got home, I was listening to the radio before the game ended. They said they scored like 3 unearned runs?? I saw Gooch had THREE errors. Errorless this game would have been ours, we have been playing bad d for quite a while now. How bad were Gooch's errors?? Ofcourse they cost us the game but what happened?? I don't think the errors changed the outcome of this game. A closer game would have had Cordero in earlier, and even though it's possible, I doubt we would have got 3 runs in the 9th inning against him.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:39 AM) Actually this game thread wasn't that bad. We were getting our butt kicked, so... there was reason to debate as opposed to the ass-kicking. It didn't get too personal, and I thank you all. Yeah, I don't know what people expect in these game threads if the Sox play as poorly as they do tonight. When you have the AL starting pitcher in the all-star game against Juan F'n Dominguez....you should win that game...period! The whole Buehrle debate got a little long, and I still don't think anyone is saying that he's a bad pitcher.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:44 AM) So Duque lying about his injury earlier this season did not effect his relationship with Ozzie whatsoever? Well, a month or so ago, Ozzie was saying how great our 4 pitchers were, and left out Contreras.

Is Buehrle going to rack up 120 pitches tonight because of our terrific manager?

Meanwhile, the fantastic Indians bullpen has completely shut down the Tigers. I wish I was different...but how can people be so sure we'll make the playoffs?

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) I just don't understand. I've never heard fans argue against their own players so much. Players who play on teh best team in teh AL no less. Best team or best record? Also, having the best record on August 29th gets you nothing.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) Why is Buerhle in, Ozzie is an idiot. He is getting shelled and at 100+ pitches. Did you expect him to do something different? How can Buehrle get the win if he's taken out? Heaven forbid we rest our pitcher's arms a little. Maybe, just maybe....that would explain the higher ERA in the 2nd half of the season for the guys who have thrown the most innings.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:51 AM) Yeah, Buehrle's WHIP against Boston is 2.09. Against Oakland it's 1.96. Sure, maybe those errors allow guys to score but he's still putting a ton of guys on base. And those weren't bloop hits left and right. Boston and Oakland were hitting rockets all over the place against Buehrle.

A win = getting credit for the win!

QUOTE(quickman @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:47 AM) not trying to be dumb, right now we are getting routed for the second day in a row with our aces on the mound. You can shurk it off to "it happens" if it continues tommorow, you can shurk it off again, if we get swept, well its a problem. We are not playing well lately. That too is a fact. You can lean on the win streak but we beat a light hitting team in Minny and a last place team in seattle. No biggie. It wouldn't be so dire if the Indians weren't playing so well right now. But they're peaking at the right time, and our offense is massively struggling. Sometimes, I think the Sox organization wants to clinch the division in one night instead of playing the game every day. The effort the last two days is unacceptable.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:44 AM) Gooch having a REAL bad nite. 2 straight pathetic games.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:43 AM) He gave up 3 runs to Boston in one game. He gave up 2 runs to Oakland in one game. But you are right. He got murded in all five. It's easy to make a case if you don't use facts. Aren't you taking into account earned runs, and not unearned runs also? He pitched real poor in both of those games, and even though some runs weren't earned, he still pitched bad. We get over guys like Contreras and Garland when they can't pitch over errors....yet Buehrle has been worse than anyone on the staff overcoming defensive errors. jphat...I don't think we're attacking Buehrle saying he stinks. Rather, a lot of us would like to see him step his game up against the top teams, since we definitely know our offense won't win us the game. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I love Buehrle's attitude and he's one of my favorite players on the team.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:39 AM) I stated a fact. There is no apologizing. How can you be an apologist for the best team in the AL. YOu want a winner? You have one, by 5.5 games in the freaking AL. I just get sick of some of these incredibly dumb posts I'm reading. Watch the personal attacks

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:38 AM) But he hasn't. Thats just the f***ing thing. Nobody bothers to look anything up. He's gotten hit around by Oakland twice and Boston once. Lots of awesome pitchers get beat around by those guys. Seriously. At least do some research before spouting off garbage. Two of his non QS are against KC. I suppose that makes him not a great pitcher because he can't dominate the bad teams. I mean, i just can't believe what I"m reading. He struggled against Boston and Oakland. He's struggled in 2 out of 3 games against the Twins. He's having a very good season...but he has to pick up his game the rest of the way.

Our number 3 hitter continues to struggle when he's not hitting homers or facing Joe Mays.

Recap?

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:32 AM) And theres a good reason for that. They have good freaking offenses. And he still has a quality start against BOTH of those teams. I just can't believe what I am reading. I get dumber by the minute reading this thread. I'd still take Buehrle over 90 pct of the pitchers in baseball. I think people are just disappointed that he's struggled against the top teams he's faced this year.