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QUOTE(Beastly @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 10:58 PM) Contreras and Hernandez are pissing me off as of late, I'm running out of patience with Orlando, you can't go on the DL every 20 some days. Stretch it out, stop being a baby and pitch, I want to win, and I want to win now. I don't mind Duque being on the DL. With the way he was pitching lately, we probably have a much better chance of winning with someone else on the mound than him. In this case, we get what we paid for in the injury-plagued pitcher.

Some of our players need to get the piano off of their backs.

QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 10:51 PM) i'm in the mood for a rally. at least get the tying run to the plate for me. Yep, it would be great if they gave us a thrill this inning. I'm sure Ozzie would love to have OMIT hit instead of Frank this inning.

I still think that against a pitcher like Maddux, Thomas should have been in the lineup. I like Frank's chances against the slow stuff a lot more than I do against Prior's stuff tomorrow.

QUOTE(whitesoxjr27 @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 10:49 PM) anyone up for a rally in the ninth. Where's the Dodgers when we need them?

I find it pathetic that any Cubs player would b**** about the strike zone today.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 10:44 PM) Well, the one thing we can say about this game is that Jose Contreras beat himself...he couldn't throw strikes, and it killed us. Exactly, Contreras basically handed the Cubs those runs in the first inning. This game was a perfect example of why Maddux has 300 wins....and Contreras has been a bust overall in the majors. One person will NEVER lost a game because they "beat" themself, while the other puts himself in a tough situation far too often on the mound.

Like I said, this is a game of warning track power.

I love what Pods has brought to the Sox this year, but dear lord, he takes a ton of called 3rd strikes.

I'm 100 pct against bringing in Lilly. Just ask Eric Milton what it's like to pitch in a hitter's park when you're a flyball pitcher.

This game reminded me of some of those @ Tampa games we had earlier this year where we had warning track power is some crucial spots, as well as some hard hits balls at people. That H'worth catch was the turning point in this game, and even more important than the grand slam.

Get well soon Uribe!

Our hitters are making Novoa look like Cy Young. Way too many poor ABs since the 2nd inning in this game.

QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) using a guy twice in a week wouldn't be overworking him. i'm all for keeping guys fresh, so why doesn't take that same tact with the starters? I have no clue why Ozzie does some of the things he does. However, as long as we continue to have a great record, there's not a chance in HELL that he changes the way he does things.

Ozuna might be showing what happens when a career bench player starts to play 5 times a week or more. Has there been any update on Uribe lately?

QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 10:14 PM) hermanson hasn't pitched since MONDAY. he could use an inning today, and still have plenty left for tomorrow if needed. the lack of work is going to hurt when real save chances come up. Ozzie has been quoted recently as saying Hermanson would only be used in save situations for the time being. He wants to keep Hermanson fresh for the second half of the season.

QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 10:08 PM) i would have gone politte in the 7th, and hermanson in the 8th assuming we were still trailing. hermanson gets no work unless it's save opp. he could have used it today. I'd rather keep Hermanson fresh for tomorrow's game for a save opportunity. I see no problem with using Shingo in a game like this and try to see if he can continue his solid stretch.

13 baserunners against Contreras in 6.1 innings today. Add to that 3 wild pitches as well.

Contreras is over 100 pitches now. I just don't understand this decision by Ozzie to keep Contreras in. Absolutely idiotic if you ask me.

QUOTE(SHAFTR @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 10:04 PM) No, he doesn't have much. My point remains though, Sox are down by 4 and they have a pitcher who hasn't given up a run in the last 5 innings. I see no reason why we should waste our bullpen. Our bullpen is as well rested now as it has been this entire season. Maybe it's just my philosophy, but when I see a pitcher struggling to keep runners off the bases, I try to be proactive, rather than reactive, and take him out before the game gets out of hand.

QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 10:02 PM) besides, we're not scoring 5 runs today anway. Well, might as well let Widger pitch the last 3 innings of this game.

QUOTE(SHAFTR @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 09:58 PM) He has only given up 1 run in the last 5 innings. I'm pretty confident I wasn't the only one on here who thought Contreras didn't have much on the mound today.

Well, good job by Contreras at least by holding the Cubs to 5 runs on a day when he had nothing on the mound. We weren't going to win this game anyways if we only scored 2 runs.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 09:54 PM) You obviously don't realize how slow Maddux is to the plate. Thanks. You obviously weren't listening when Hawk said how the Cubs were making a legit effort at holding Pods at 2nd base today. If Barrett was the catcher, I would like the chances of a successful SB a lot more by Pods.

QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 09:53 PM) it's his last inning. better to use contreras for the sixth at this point than start using the bullpen. I completely disagree. You pull Contreras before this game gets out of hand. We can still win this game if we're 3 down at this point. However, if the Cubs get a few more runs cause Ozzie left Contreras and his WHIP of about 25 today on the mound too long, then that's bad managing.