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QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 03:34 PM) Dotel was a nightmare last season when he filled in for Jenks. I'm not sure I'd want to see that again. Now, saying that, even though he is a bit erratic at times, he also can dominate as well, and he doesn have good numbers. If the Sox are looking clear salary, and bring in a decent prospect, Dotel has been a productive relief pitcher for the Sox so there would be interest in him. I highly doubt the Sox take on Rolen or any other hitter's big salary unless that team is paying a giant chunk of the contract. I also wonder, if the Blue Jays trade Rolen and Halladay (especially him obviously), aren't they shedding payroll and going young? I know they are stuck with the contracts of Rios and Wells, but they can shed around those guys and fill in in with younger, cheaper player so I'm not sure Jenks would fall into that category. Last year Jenks was out from the beginning of July to the 18th. Over that time span Octavio Dotel allowed 3 base runners in 5.2 IP and stranded 4 out of 5 inherited runners. He entered 8 games total, 5 with the Sox ahead and 3 with them ahead by 3 runs or less, in those 3 outings he pitched 2.2 INN allowed 1 BB, 0 H and 5 K. His 1 truly poor outings was entering the a tied game in the bottom of the 8th against KC, with one out and a runner on 2nd he got a pop out followed by a run scoring double, he then left the game and Boone Logan promptly served up a 2 run inside the park HR to Mark Teahen. (this is not a typical closer's outing) Only 1 of the 8 total outings during Jenks' absence was a 9th inning save situation, that was against the Royals with a 1 run lead, he struck out the side on 10 pitches.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 04:32 PM) What I have noticed about Wise, though, is his insane ability to be 0-2 in every at-bat. How does he do that? I thought the same thing so I looked it up and it's true. Wise has 106 PA this year and 14 in which he hit into a play on the first pitch so I'll discount those. In PA in which he's seen more than 1 pitch he's fallen behind 0-2 25 times or 27%. He's gone 2-0 16% of the time. In 53 of those 92 plate appearances he fell into a 2 strike count and made it to 3 balls only 9 times. That's 58% with 2 strikes and 10% with 3 balls. He's worked the count full only 4 times. Looking at his splits it's stunning just how often he falls behind in the count.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 03:47 PM) GRINDER /thread The thing is he's not, at all. He's a very bad small ball player.

Well, this should upset a whole bunch of people.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) Since when does Jermaine Dye have a poor arm? Scott Podsednik and Dwayne Wise have poor arms. JD does not. His fundamentals are garbage, his arm isn't nearly strong enough to make up for catching near every ball flat footed and most with his momentum moving in the opposite direction of the intended target. I've been saying this for years and every metric that attempts to quantify arm strength backs it up.

QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 01:23 PM) I'm all in favor of Dye as the DH next season, but honestly, do you think he's just gonna accept the demotion? It's partly a slap in the face. "We don't think you can play the outfield position you've been playing for 13 years anymore" Some guys have a hard time adjusting to only playing half the game as far as staying warm etc. JD seems like a pro, but you never know.... I actually agree with you and I think his current reputation as a very good defensive outfielder would play a big role in such a situation. Dye will be 36 years old next year and is already one of the least effective fielders in the game thanks to his non-existent speed and poor arm, it's only going to get worse with time. If he's not open to a major decrease in RF playing time then there's going to have to be a change, at a certain point the Sox are gonna have to place a premium on defense, something they've failed to do in recent years.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 12:49 PM) Over the last 5, it's Johan. But over the last couple, it has to be either Lincecum, Haren, or Halladay. I'd love to see a case made for this that doesn't heavily value CG.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 09:45 AM) Fixed. I don't see how Haren's overall numbers are better than Johan the last 3 years. Major league ranks since the start of the '07 season: Haren Santana ERA+: 1st 3rd WHIP: 1st 3rd K/9: 7th 4th K/BB: 1st 9th IP: 3rd 3rd HR/9: 14th 24th QS%: 1st 3rd

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 10:20 PM) I was going to say Santana with out looking at any stats, so glad to see that the stats back that up. Awesome to see Mark in the top 10 there as well. If any of you stat guys have some time I'd be interested to see where Buehrle ranks since he came into the league overall. Best pitchers by ERA+ from 2001 to present w/ at least 1530 IP over that time (180 IP per + 90 IP for this year): (keep in mind this is an incredibly subjective timespan) 1.) 152 - Johan Santana 2.) 144 - Roy Halladay 3.) 137 - Roy Oswalt 4.) 132 - Randy Johnson 5.) 127 - Tim Hudson (everybody forgets about Tim Hudson) 6.) 123 - Mark Buehrle 7.) 121 - CC Sabathia 8.) 117 - Derek Lowe 9.) 114 - Mike Mussina 9.) 114 - Andy Pettitte Mark has the most IP in the game over that timespan.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 10:15 PM) Did you get baseball reference's play index? Yes, about 6 weeks after I said I would.

'03-'08 is a six year span, not five. Anyway . . . Highest ERA+ between '03 and '08 w/ at least 1000 IP over that span: 1.) 156 - Johan Santana 2.) 143 - Brandon Webb 3.) 140 - Roy Halladay 4.) 136 - Roy Oswalt 5.) 132 - Carlos Zambrano 6.) 128 - CC Sabathia 7.) 125 - Jake Peavy 7.) 125 - Ben Sheets 9.) 124 - Tim Hudson 0.) 119 - Mark Buehrle Josh Beckett is 12th This is more or less what I was talking about: Highest ERA+ from '07 to date (min: 450 IP): 1.) 152 - Dan Haren 2.) 150 - Tim Lincecum 3.) 146 - Johan Santana 4.) 144 - CC Sabathia 4.) 144 - Brandon Webb 6.) 138 - Roy Halladay 7.) 135 - Jake Peavy 8.) 132 - Josh Beckett 9.) 128 - Matt Cain 9.) 128 - Adam Wainwright 11.) 127 - Mark Buehrle 12.) 126 - Felix Hernandez 12.) 126 - Cole Hamels 12.) 126 - John Lackey 12.) 126 - Cliff Lee 16.) 125 - Roy Oswalt

QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 08:02 PM) Roy Halladay has been arguably the best pitcher in baseball for the past couple years. With that said I do not want him as it would cost too much. Giving up Lexi and Danks and/or Jenks and a some of our best minor leaguers? I don't think so. Besides like others I'm sure have mentioned he's getting a little old with a ton of mileage on his arm and he's good for like a DL stint each year it seems. I'd love to see this argument.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 10:47 AM) Wow...wrong 5th lowest team ERA in baseball.

QUOTE (onedude @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 01:08 PM) He has never struck out more than once in a game. Great discipline. I'm fairly confident he'll finish his career with substantially more BB than SO. As of now his BB/K is already above league average at 0.60 (0.51). Another good sign his is XBH% which is also above major league average at 8.5% (7.9%).

Remove the first 4 games of his major league career and he's hitting .330/.397/.491/.888 in 127 PA. Remove the first 8 games of his major league career and he's hitting .361/.427/.546/.974 in 111 PA.

QUOTE (DC23MVP @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 04:41 PM) This would be huge for the city of Milwaukee if they can land the best pitcher in baseball. Rumors here is that the Brewers have a package in place but have yet made a formal offer to the Jays and Gord Ash the Brewers exec. was in Toronto yesterday. It all depends on who they give up though for me. I thought this thread was about Roy Halladay?

Awww you missed me.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 06:11 PM) I was trying to make the point that it doesn't matter what someone's stats are if you don't count their bad games. It might be a little different when you're discounting the first few games of his major league career.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 05:37 PM) You must have gotten a new job or something you black asshole. Combination of things. You'll see me in the chat a lot more starting Monday.

Thank you lord.

There's the good hammer.

Jermaine Dye is frightening slow for an outfielder.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) .804 on the season? .296/.364/.440/.804

Beckham's OPS is not right around .800.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 04:36 PM) He's hitting .327 with a .881 OPS in July. I'd be impressed, except Getz is showing him up by hitting .375 with a .932 OPS in July. QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 04:39 PM) lets just add to the mix alexei ramirez .389 .432 .528 .960 july Thome: .351/.442/.649/1.091 and 15 RBI in 10 July starts not counting today. He's up to .264/.408/.524/.933 on the season with a couple of hits and a walk today.